Advance Booking Deadline

Discussion in 'Fares Advice & Policy' started by bb21, 27 Dec 2010.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. bb21

    bb21 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

    Messages:
    23,239
    Joined:
    4 Feb 2010
    Just came across this.

    http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/advance-fares.aspx

    It says in the 'How to Buy' section:

    I thought that the booking engine closes at 1800 or thereabouts the day before travel. Some TOCs might be as late as 2000 but never have I heard of the deadline being so late.

    Has anything changed lately?

    Also this

    The National Rail website states that

    So is it a case of the two listed being excluded as they're not truly 'national'?
     
  2. Registered users do not see these banners - join or log in today!

    Rail Forums

     
  3. hairyhandedfool

    hairyhandedfool Established Member

    Messages:
    8,838
    Joined:
    14 Apr 2008
    Although Network Railcards are issued on behalf of National Rail and Goldcards bestow the same discounts as Network Railcards, neither are National Railcards.

    Booking deadlines have changed every few years since Privatisation, largely due to the removal of the old advance purchase tickets and introduction of new ones. The last change was when ATOC 'simplified' the fares, so that all advance purchase tickets became 'Advance'.
     
  4. wintonian

    wintonian Established Member

    Messages:
    4,889
    Joined:
    15 Jan 2010
    Location:
    Hampshire
    Network railcard and gold cards only allow a discount with in the south east as defined here and as such are not national railcards.
     
  5. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Messages:
    41,658
    Joined:
    6 Jun 2005
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    A few years go (before "simplification" made things more complex) the rule was officially 1800 but, in reality, the booking sites allowed purchase up to 2359. If you went to a station they were under no obligation to offer them after 1800 but could do so at their discretion. Now, under the new system, it appears that the cutoff is indeed 1800 with no way round it. I am not aware of any allowing it until 2000 but then I don't book AP tickets on SWT.

    That's so-called "progress" for you! :(
     
  6. wibble

    wibble Member

    Messages:
    579
    Joined:
    23 Jun 2010
    The cut-off time for Advance ticket sales is decided by each individual TOC. Following fares simplification, some have stuck with 1800, others have moved it to a later time. AFAIK, online booking sites should enforce whichever cut-off time the TOC has chosen.

    The TOCs which don't use the 1800 cut-off time are:

    Virgin Trains: 23:59
    East Coast: 23:59
    SWT: 23:59
    EMT: 19:00
    Chiltern: 21:00
     
  7. ralphchadkirk

    ralphchadkirk Established Member

    Messages:
    5,762
    Joined:
    20 Oct 2008
    Location:
    Essex
    Surely that is simplifying it. The rule was you couldn't buy after 1800, so that is what's enforced. They've simplified it by removing the multitude of ways to get round it.
     
  8. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Messages:
    41,658
    Joined:
    6 Jun 2005
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    No they haven't!

    In the past it was simple.

    Advertised: 1800
    Actual: 2359

    As far as I'm aware.

    Now, it seems, according to Wibble's post made just under an hour before yours, the TOCs are free to choose, and they have chosen different times.

    If you think that is simpler, you have a bright future at ATOC ahead of you :lol:
     
  9. ralphchadkirk

    ralphchadkirk Established Member

    Messages:
    5,762
    Joined:
    20 Oct 2008
    Location:
    Essex
    From what you said in your first post:

    So in the past it was:
    official: 1800
    Booking sites: 2359
    Stations: depends on the person selling the tickets

    Now it is:
    official: 1800

    What could be simpler than that?!
     
  10. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Messages:
    41,658
    Joined:
    6 Jun 2005
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    So you are saying Wibble is incorrect?
     
  11. ralphchadkirk

    ralphchadkirk Established Member

    Messages:
    5,762
    Joined:
    20 Oct 2008
    Location:
    Essex
    No, I am talking about your definition of 'simplification' as taken from your post.
     
  12. yorkie

    yorkie Administrator Staff Member Administrator

    Messages:
    41,658
    Joined:
    6 Jun 2005
    Location:
    Yorkshire
    I'm not aware that I gave a definition of simplification?
    What point are you trying to make?

    Are you talking about 'simplification' in general, ie, the changes that occured in 2008 when various ticket names and conditions changed? Or are you talking specifically about whether the booking deadlines are simpler or not?
     
  13. wibble

    wibble Member

    Messages:
    579
    Joined:
    23 Jun 2010
    How far in the past? With NRS, TOCs can choose when their reservations close for any ticket type. However, there's a restriction in the fares system for Advance tickets which prevents them from being sold after a pre-determined time.

    That's been the case since TOCs moved away from the old SAR/AXR tickets to their own TOC advance purchase tickets (e.g the old Virgin Value).

    Allowing later booking of Advance tickets is a benefit for customers - surely that's a good thing!!
     
  14. route101

    route101 Established Member

    Messages:
    4,024
    Joined:
    16 May 2010
    Yeah ive often bought London to glasgow advances the night before .


     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page