Alcohol bans

[Bletchleyite]

The police have a duty of care for everybody

I don't believe that should extend to ensuring transport is paid for by an organisation that has refused it due to poor behaviour.

 

[Flamingo]

I take the view I have a duty of care to every passenger - that includes the ones being verbally abused by the drunks...

 

[CaptainHaddock]

Perhaps we've got it back to front and the alcohol bans should be imposed on the outward trains in the morning rather than the return trains in the evening?

That way you're not punishing the vast majority of sensible drinkers who fancy a can or two on the way home from a night out/football/racing/whatever, but you do dissuade those who intend to spend their day getting ridiculously drunk and aggressive and start knocking back the Stella at 8am?.

In fact, why not match the times alcohol is permitted on trains with the times pubs generally serve it - ie 12 noon till 11pm? Of course it would be virtually impossible to police so strictly but if well advertised would remove any ambiguity about dry trains (which are not always as well advertised as they could be).

 

[Bletchleyite]

I take the view I have a duty of care to every passenger - that includes the ones being verbally abused by the drunks...

I would probably go further and say that some people give up their right to a helpful[1] duty of care by their actions.

[1] Such people would, in my view, be offered a choice of "get yourself home at your cost" or "sober up in the cells overnight". That is quite sufficient as a duty of care to an adult who has chosen to get themselves into that state. Duty of care in that case is in my view to preserve life, nothing more.
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In fact, why not match the times alcohol is permitted on trains with the times pubs generally serve it - ie 12 noon till 11pm? Of course it would be virtually impossible to police so strictly but if well advertised would remove any ambiguity about dry trains (which are not always as well advertised as they could be).

Provided the carrying, rather than consumption, of alcohol is permitted, that would not seem unreasonable. Another option might be that the consumption of alcohol is permitted only if purchased on board (as for air travel, and as for trains in some other countries). Hard to enforce, but it would allow an easy way of catching people under a Byelaw if causing a nuisance but difficult to get under another one.

 

[Clip]

Perhaps we've got it back to front and the alcohol bans should be imposed on the outward trains in the morning rather than the return trains in the evening?

That way you're not punishing the vast majority of sensible drinkers who fancy a can or two on the way home from a night out/football/racing/whatever, but you do dissuade those who intend to spend their day getting ridiculously drunk and aggressive and start knocking back the Stella at 8am?.

What about those who have just finished a night shift then - are they not allowed a beer like those in the evening after work?

 

[DarloRich]

I would probably go further and say that some people give up their right to a helpful[1] duty of care by their actions.

[1] Such people would, in my view, be offered a choice of "get yourself home at your cost" or "sober up in the cells overnight". That is quite sufficient as a duty of care to an adult who has chosen to get themselves into that state. Duty of care in that case is in my view to preserve life, nothing more.

Get yourself home at your own cost once someone is in the system wont wash. Before they get to the station perhaps.........
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Perhaps we've got it back to front and the alcohol bans should be imposed on the outward trains in the morning rather than the return trains in the evening?

I believe at times, both inbound & outbound services are dry

 

[Bletchleyite]

Get yourself home at your own cost once someone is in the system wont wash.

Well I think it should. Or perhaps the railway could pay to return them to their origin not their destination; that would be money well spent

Misbehave, you get chucked off at the next station, walk home. Even if it's Cheddington or Sugar Loaf Only exception I'd give is if the temperature was very low or if it was a child, in which case a night in the cells.

It'd soon stop.

 

[Mag_seven]

How likely are there to be drunks heading to York races on the 09.00 from Kings Cross tomorrow (Saturday 11th July) bearing in mind its 1st stop York and there are no intermediate stops at places such as Doncaster?

 

[wensley]

How likely are there to be drunks heading to York races on the 09.00 from Kings Cross tomorrow (Saturday 11th July) bearing in mind its 1st stop York and there are no intermediate stops at places such as Doncaster?

Slim. York will be chaos though!

 

[shredder1]

The other day I saw a poster in Partick station which listed which Scotrail trains would have a complete alcohol ban imposed on them for today's six nations event. Today I travelled on a service which im sure the poster described as one of the services where an alcohol ban was imposed but I observed alcohol being consumed and sold on this train.

I wanted to make absolutely sure that this train was indeed a train with an alcohol ban before making a complaint. I tried to find out online with no success - the Scotrail website just states that alcohol bans will be enforced. This made me wonder how passengers would be made aware of these bans if they aren't well published.

I have 3 questions:
1. How can I or other passengers find out which trains have an alcohol ban? Should this be published online or communicated by on train announcements?
2. Who is the best person to complain to in this case? Would it be Scotrail or the BTP?
3. What is the procedure that should be applied when passengers and/or staff are unaware of an alcohol ban and innocently breach / fail to enforce an alcohol ban?

Slightly off topic possible, but we usually like a lager or two on overnight sleepers and got pulled in Poland Warsaw, to wait until we crossed the border into Czech before we downed our lagers