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Amtrak - Introducing Airo. Amfleet's replacement

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Amtrak has branded the new Siemens trainsets on order as "Airo."

Airo appears to be a play on the word arrow, which is the name of Amtrak's reservation system. Amtrak's first logo was dubbed by pundits as "the pointless arrow."

These trainsets are based upon the Viaggio Comfort cars--modified and adapted for use in the United States-- and were first introduced by private operator Brightline in Florida.

These trainsets will replace the almost 50 year old fleet of tubular Amfleet I cars which were introduced in the mid-1970s. They will also replace the remaining legacy Metroliner EMU cars which over the years were stripped of traction motors to operate as unpowered cab cars (driving trailers). Ex Metroliners today can be found on the Keystone services (New York City to Harrisburg).

Siemens has a healthy backlog, as they are filling orders from Brightline, the Midwest consortium of states + California, VIA, Amtrak, Washington State, and now Ontario Northland.

The Ontario Northland trainsets will be used to restart train service from Toronto to Timmons. While these cars are primarily designed to operate in day service, the Ontario Northland trainset will run an overnight service.

With a new name comes a new livery.

Business class features 2-1 seating while coach class is 2-2 seating. Unlike today's Amfleet where seats can be rotated to face direction of travel, on Amtrak's Airo half the seats will face backwards.

There will also be a cafe car.

There will be three types of trainsets ranging from diesel only, dual mode and battery hybrid. The latter two will eliminate the need for time consuming engine changes when switching from diesel to electric territory.

https://media.amtrak.com/2021/07/am...ion-investment-in-state-of-the-art-equipment/

The Midwest consortium of states + California and Washington State are separate orders with different interior fittings and external branding.
 

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Wow, I hadn't realised Amtrak had started an order to replace their Amfleet cars. I've only taken them a handful of times and, while comfortable, are definitely showing their age. I also found them slightly claustrophobic with their small windows. This looks like it'll be a great upgrade.
 

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Wow, I hadn't realised Amtrak had started an order to replace their Amfleet cars. I've only taken them a handful of times and, while comfortable, are definitely showing their age. I also found them slightly claustrophobic with their small windows. This looks like it'll be a great upgrade.
Possibly influenced by "airliner chic" when originally designed in the 1960s, through the windows aren't as small as on a plane.

I hope they don't perpetuate the feature where you can pull a handle on the rubber seal round the window and the window itself pops out as an emergency evacuation measure. Experience in various British accidents says it's better to keep the windows in place and as strong as possible, as the risk of people being ejected far outweighs any benefit from faster evacuation.
 

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The most interesting aspect of this order is that 73 of the 83 ordered sets will be bi-mode and include a pantograph or battery/panto car marshalled next to the locomotive to power the Siemens Charger loco when under the wires. The remaining 10 sets will be for the west coast and diesel only operated. More details in this Trains article.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-rev...o-branding-images-of-siemens-push-pull-fleet/
 

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The most interesting aspect of this order is that 73 of the 83 ordered sets will be bi-mode and include a pantograph or battery/panto car marshalled next to the locomotive to power the Siemens Charger loco when under the wires. The remaining 10 sets will be for the west coast and diesel only operated. More details in this Trains article.

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-rev...o-branding-images-of-siemens-push-pull-fleet/
That presumably means that a large proportion of the relatively new ACS-64 electric loco fleet will be surplus. It seems rather dumb to ditch them when providing a diesel generator vehicle (as RENFE have done) would be rather less wasteful. It’s not even as if it is complicated by different builders: Siemens built the ACS-64s.
 

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I will miss the Amfleet seats. From the renderings it seems ironing board disease has crossed the Atlantic.

That presumably means that a large proportion of the relatively new ACS-64 electric loco fleet will be surplus. It seems rather dumb to ditch them when providing a diesel generator vehicle (as RENFE have done) would be rather less wasteful. It’s not even as if it is complicated by different builders: Siemens built the ACS-64s.

Entirely optimistically (and without any justification) I hope they cascade the ACS-64 and Amfleet to try restarting or otherwise improving lesser used routes.
 

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I will miss the Amfleet seats. From the renderings it seems ironing board disease has crossed the Atlantic.
They look to me quite similar to what Deutsche Bahn use in second class on ICE4 trains (albeit perhaps with slightly thinner padding and a leather cover rather than moquette). Those are absolutely luxurious in comparison to anything currently in service in the UK (the much-maligned Fainsa Sophia seats in the IETs being no exception of course) and certainly couldn't be described as ironing boards!

Of course they might be completely different and just look vaguely similar in the renderings. I don't know.
 

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They look to me quite similar to what Deutsche Bahn use in second class on ICE4 trains (albeit perhaps with slightly thinner padding and a leather cover rather than moquette). Those are absolutely luxurious in comparison to anything currently in service in the UK (the much-maligned Fainsa Sophia seats in the IETs being no exception of course) and certainly couldn't be described as ironing boards!

Of course they might be completely different and just look vaguely similar in the renderings. I don't know.

From a bit of research they're Clerprem Hermes, not a seat that's been used in the UK yet, and I'm not sure why I'd name a seat the same as a dire (German) courier company! :)


They don't seem to get excellent reviews, indeed DB appears to have started a major project to replace the cushions and covers because of this:


Comfort plays an important role when travelling, complementing punctuality and reliability. The findings of customer feedback on the seats in the German ICE 4 and the modernized ICE 3 high-speed trains were all the more thought-provoking: too hard, seating surfaces too short, insufficient freedom of movement in the head and shoulder areas.


This made it clear that further development is needed to take into account the main criticisms of the users, in order to improve passenger comfort. A new approach was chosen for this: The seat manufacturer Clerprem Deutschland GmbH, the German subsidiary of the Italian Clerprem SpA, cooperated with the Ergonomics Institute Munich and developed three prototypes and had 600 test persons try them out in the seat laboratory. The result: all three prototypes were rated better than the original seats.


Subsequently, new seats were installed in two ICE trains in regular service and 5,800 passengers were interviewed – one of the prototype alternatives won the race.
 

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They don't seem to get excellent reviews, indeed DB appears to have started a major project to replace the cushions and covers because of this:

Indeed. I experienced both the ICE 1, 3 and 4 seats last September. While the ICE 4 was the best of the three, it wasn't exceptional.

In all of them, there was an evident lack of Lumbar and Cervical support. It applies to both second and first-class seating.
 

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Those rendered seats look firm, I wonder if they will be in reality. Classic Amfleet seating is some of the comfiest around and even seating on the new Avelia doesn't look half bad. I would be amazed if ironing boards actually made it to US long distance stock..even if they did I can't see them lasting long.
 

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Cascade to where?
I'd suggest cascade to the Cascades, but that's getting new stock too...

The newest Amfleets date from sometime in the 1980s so remaining life is probably limited, even considering the corrosion resistance of stainless steel. Then again the Superliners are of similar vintage.
 

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Possibly influenced by "airliner chic" when originally designed in the 1960s, through the windows aren't as small as on a plane.

I hope they don't perpetuate the feature where you can pull a handle on the rubber seal round the window and the window itself pops out as an emergency evacuation measure. Experience in various British accidents says it's better to keep the windows in place and as strong as possible, as the risk of people being ejected far outweighs any benefit from faster evacuation.

The Amfleet I bodyshells were based upon the Metroliner EMU bodyshells. I heard two reasons for the "gun slit" sized windows: 1) to create a smaller target for miscreants who throw rocks and bricks at train windows, 2) to prevent windows from popping out when two trains pass at 125 MPH approach speeds.

The newer Amfleet IIs have 3 inch taller windows and are fitted with lower density seating (more legroom, have legrests and footrests); these cars will be retained for use on the long distance trains such as the Silver Meteor, Silver Star, Lake Shore Limited, etc.

The peel away windows for emergency exit I understand are an FRA (Federal Railroad Administration) requirement. I thought I read that a passenger or two were ejected through the Superliner Sightseer lounge car (which have large windows) in the tragic derailment of the Empire Builder a year or so ago.


I will miss the Amfleet seats. From the renderings it seems ironing board disease has crossed the Atlantic.

Entirely optimistically (and without any justification) I hope they cascade the ACS-64 and Amfleet to try restarting or otherwise improving lesser used routes.

ACS-64s will still be needed for the long distance trains that enter New York City. Also, it will take years to completely receive and accept the new Airo fleet by which time those will be around 20 years old.


Those rendered seats look firm, I wonder if they will be in reality. Classic Amfleet seating is some of the comfiest around and even seating on the new Avelia doesn't look half bad. I would be amazed if ironing boards actually made it to US long distance stock..even if they did I can't see them lasting long.

Classic Amfleet seats are quite plush. In the long distance mode, they have decent recline and almost all seats face forward. In the higher density, corridor mode, the seat pitch (on aircraft style floor rails) is less, but the seat widths are same.

The new Airo seats appear to be narrower due to wider aisles (lots of discussion on this concerning the Midwest States + California consortium fleet). I understand those seats do not recline in the traditional sense (instead the seat cushion slides forward), and half the seats face backwards. According to an Amtrak design presentation this was so that they could fit electrical outlets for personal use between the seat pairs and they said that precluded installation of rotating seats.

The Shinkansen seats also have outlets between seat pairs and those seats rotate to face direction of travel.

I'd suggest cascade to the Cascades, but that's getting new stock too...

One minor detail is that the Cascades route (Eugene, Oregon to Vancouver BC) is non-electrified.
 
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They look great, I hope that an order of DMUs will help attract more regional routes into operation. But I suppose first they have to grapple with the freight companies that own the tracks
 

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According to Amtrak themselves the set distribution is:


26 six-car catenary-diesel dual-mode sets for:

Carolinian
Downeaster
Keystone Service
Palmetto
Pennsylvanian
Vermonter


32 eight-car catenary-diesel dual-mode sets for:

Northeast Regional (including services to Springfield and Virginia)


17 battery-diesel hybrid sets for:

Adirondack
Empire Service
Ethan Allen Express
Maple Leaf


These sets all have an APV (Auxiliary Powered Vehicle) next to the loco which has its own motor bogie but also supplies the adjacent loco from either on-board batteries or overhead catenary.


There are also 8 six-car diesel-only sets for the Amtrak Cascades service.
 

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Isn't that what the battery hybrid sets are for?

No.

Trains with sleeping cars, dining cars, cafe cars (doubling as lounge cars) and long distance coaches will still be diesel locomotive hauled and then swapped for the straight electric ACS-64 locomotives. This includes the "Silver" trains from Florida, and the Crescent from New Orleans.

I've added comments in blue text below.

According to Amtrak themselves the set distribution is:
26 six-car catenary-diesel dual-mode sets for:

Carolinian - That is a long run. Overnight. Surprised to see the consist shrink to 6 cars only.
Downeaster - Currently does not operate near catenary. But could if MBTA decides to electrify North Station services.
Keystone Service - Entirely electrified route. Although dual mode capability offers flexibility in emergencies.
Palmetto - Another overnight service and long run. Surprised to see consist shrink to 6 cars only.
Pennsylvanian
Vermonter

32 eight-car catenary-diesel dual-mode sets for:

Northeast Regional (including services to Springfield and Virginia) - dual mode will save time consuming engine changes.

17 battery-diesel hybrid sets for:

Adirondack
Empire Service
Ethan Allen Express
Maple Leaf

Above trains use the Empire Connection to reach Penn Station New York. This eliminates the need for an engine change to a dual mode locomotive with 3rd rail shoes.
 
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The reason for using dual modes on services that do not have any catenary now or in the near future such as the Downeaster is probably more for commonality of equipment which will be part of a pool that also services the Northeast Corridor, rather than having bespoke Diesel only versions for these services.
 

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A recently released Amtrak Office of the Inspector General report states the first Airo trainset will be approximately 5 1/2 months late due to need to redesign the cafe cars (incurring a $42 million change order fee).

Other issues cited concern delays in modifying the various maintenance facilities to service the these trains on an "intact" trainset basis.

A concern cited in this report was the need to engage (talk to) internal stakeholders prior to commencing design.

Read more at:
https://amtrakoig.gov/sites/default/files/reports/OIG-A-2023-005 ICT.pdf
 
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