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dannypye9999

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An idea now Virgin trains have halved their services between Wolverhampton and New Street is I think they should now hand over the operating of Wolverhampton station to London Midland seeing as most services using the station are London Midland operated. Or at least London Midland to run a through service to Euston using Liverpool to Birmingham service combined with a Birmingham to Euston train? This will then give both Liverpool and Wolverhampton two direct trains a day to and from the capital as both these cities missed extra trains on the new hi-frequency timetable. Good idea or epic fail :D
 
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An idea now Virgin trains have halved their services between Wolverhampton and New Street is I think they should now hand over the operating of Wolverhampton station to London Midland seeing as most services using the station are London Midland operated. Or at least London Midland to run a through service to Euston using Liverpool to Birmingham service combined with a Birmingham to Euston train? This will then give both Liverpool and Wolverhampton two direct trains a day to and from the capital as both these cities missed extra trains on the new hi-frequency timetable. Good idea or epic fail :D

VT run Wigan Station when most services are Northern.
Likewise Preston, or Rugby (LM)
 

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The number of services at Wolverhampton operated by Virgin West Coast is now the same as it was before VWC gained the Birmingham to Scotland services. And it was operated by VWC back then too. Just saying.
 

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An idea now Virgin trains have halved their services between Wolverhampton and New Street is I think they should now hand over the operating of Wolverhampton station to London Midland seeing as most services using the station are London Midland operated. Or at least London Midland to run a through service to Euston using Liverpool to Birmingham service combined with a Birmingham to Euston train? This will then give both Liverpool and Wolverhampton two direct trains a day to and from the capital as both these cities missed extra trains on the new hi-frequency timetable. Good idea or epic fail :D

The services are split at Birmingham to protect their punctuality performance.
The Liverpool in particular is a poor performer into/out of New St.

I thought LM were keen to serve Preston, and wanted to serve Liverpool better by extending the Euston-Crewe service (diverting it away from Stoke, with one of the current LM Birmingham-Liverpools running via Stoke to compensate).

All this will resurface when the Norton Bridge flyover is built.
 

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I suspect - that Wolverhampton could really do with some gating - so others tell me. Extra revenue might assist the local service development accordingly.....
 

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There's no room to put in a gateline at present. Any gateline would have to come after the rebuild of the concourse which has been talked about for years and years
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I think in the bid it was all of them at DfTs behest?

Yes it was a franchise requirement to install gate lines at all franchise operated stations
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There is no point handing the station over to LM. Virgin do a pretty decent job there, LM would just cut staff down to bare minimum and close the advance booking office and first class lounge.
 

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I suspect - that Wolverhampton could really do with some gating - so others tell me. Extra revenue might assist the local service development accordingly.....

Or even better - go back to having a man or two checking tickets - preferably like those from the past who were quite effective at spotting "dubious" tickets.
 

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VT run Wigan Station when most services are Northern.
Likewise Preston, or Rugby (LM)

I think its nearer 50:50, something like three Virgin services per hour to four Northern services southbound and two Virgin services to one Northern service per hour northbound offpeak.
 

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Or even better - go back to having a man or two checking tickets - preferably like those from the past who were quite effective at spotting "dubious" tickets.

So it might indicate VT's "commercial interest and care" in checking revenue .....(so how much extra revenue would UK rail pick up if proper checks - gating or other methods applied in the peaks at Coventry , Bham International , Wolverhampton and I suspect other places like Warrington.?) - quite a bit I suspect and probably more than the wages of a few staff ....
 

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I think its nearer 50:50, something like three Virgin services per hour to four Northern services southbound and two Virgin services to one Northern service per hour northbound offpeak.

For Wigan

VT
1tph EUS-GLC
1tph GLC-EUS
1tph BHM-GLC/EDB
1tph EDB/GLC-BHM

NT
1tph LIV-WGN
1tph WGN-LIV
1tph LIV-BPN
1tph BPN-LIV

So same number of services throughout the day. But in the early mornings and evenings there are some terminators from Manchester at North Western, so overall there are more Northern services using the station.
There are also a couple of TPE services too at the extremes of the day
 

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Wigan-Liverpool is 3tph since December 2008 - 1 express (ex-Blackpool) and 2 all-stations (ex-North Western)
 

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Virgin trains have halved their services between Wolverhampton and New Street
Does this mean there is now a free hourly path between Shrewsbury/Wolverhampton and Birmingham, which could be used for additional services?

How about Holyhead-Birmingham services which don't have to interwork with the Cambrian? Need to find some stock though of course.
 
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Dunno about that, paths are at a premium on the Stour. As it stands a typical hour's service between Wolverhampton and Birmingham New Street (starting with the London train) will see:

xx:45 to Euston (VT) (stops once at Sandwell & Dudley)
xx:49 to Walsall (LM) (all stations, six stops in total)
xx:59 to New St (LM) (Liverpool train, stops once at Cosley)
xx:09 to International (ATW) (stops once at Smethwick GB)
xx:15 to Bristol (XC) (express)
xx:19 to Walsall (LM) (all stations)
xx:29 to New Street (LM) (Liverpool train, stops once at Smethwick GB)
xx:32 to New Street (VT) (Scottish train, express)
xx:36 to New Street (LM) (Salop train, stops once at Smethwick GB)
xx:39 to Bournemouth (XC) (express)

Am I right in thinking they all go via the Stour, with a few exceptions a day routed via the Grand Junction for route retention? Which VT service is getting knocked out when the timetable changes, is it the xx:32? Maybe not cramming so much down there will improve punctuality overall?
 
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What Wolverhampton is missing most, other than a station with 6 through platforms with 1 bay north, and two south bays - is a 4 track exit along the Stour Valley.

Two tracks on the right form the UP/DOWN Stour Valley. Two tracks on left, UP/DOWN Didcot & Chester (D&C). The new lines placed either side of existing Stour Valley – where one becomes new DOWN SV, the other the new UP D&C.

The 4 track formation crosses over Lower Walsall Street - then follows along side the Steel Terminal, on a viaduct, to store steel rolls underneath, where the D&C lines curve away from the Stour Valley – still on a viaduct - over the throat of Wolverhampton Steel terminal on an "S" bend - to reach the original formation of the D&C, to then drop 1 in 55 - under Bilston Road - over a new junction to allow Steel traffic access to the D&C then through the following stations: Priestfield, Bilston Central, Loxdale, Wednesbury Parkway, Dudley Street - Guns Village, West Bromwich Central, The Hawthorns, Soho & Winson Green, Jewellery Quarter to reach Birmingham Snow Hill and beyond.

Wednesbury Parkway becomes a major stopping point as an interchange. For London Midland/First GW/East Midland services from Derby-Lichfield-Walsall to Dudley-Brierley Hill-Stourbridge-Worcester-Oxford.

Even London Paddington FGW services could reach Wolverhampton via Worcester, Stourbridge and Dudley then via a chord from the South Staffs line (Dudley->Walsall) through the current Metro tram shed at Wednesbury, to meet the D&C and on towards Wolverhampton. This spur could also provide Wolverhampton with local services to Dudley, Brierley Hill and Stourbridge. Even a direct a service between Shrewsbury and Worcester.

Meaning Wulfrunian’s can get to Stourbridge on the train in 35 mins. That’s 20 mins quicker than at present on the 256 bus. Battery Buses waiting on each arrival to take passengers from Dudley Station around town centre. And from Brierley Hill around Merry Hill complex. No need to dig up the streets for overpriced trams with complex duel voltage systems to work on AC heavy rail and DC streets. The electric bus can be re-routed to match where markets demand – far cheaper and lower running costs than a tram. After all why don’t the trams take you through Wednesbury or West Bromwich high streets – where you need them? C.o.s.t. Just look at the passenger patterns – and you can see this far more suited as a rail line - not rapid transit. SIX miles average journey length. On new trams that will seat fewer people – but have more standing room only. BONKERS.

With this rail corridor in place:

Will enable rail freight traffic access to the brown field sites that lie along this corridor - ensuring they have maximum potential for high skilled industry to develop and not be turned into another useless low pay low skill Retail/Supermarket complex. That only Metro can provide.

Ensures Salop has direct connections to London Marylebone via Chiltern Railways. Wolverhampton then has competition with Virgin West Coast - from the same station. In 1983 Euston could be reached from Wolverhampton in 1h 55m. Today it is 1h 49m, 6 mins less in 30 years and now many millions of pounds spent?

New direct local services to Dorridge/Stratford opening up new transport corridors. As per the requirements of the Local Transport Plan Mk 3.

Ensures Salop, Wolverhampton and The Black Country has a direct fast rail service to Moor Street Station, the interchange for HS2 services - not to the north or London - but more importantly to the Continent - Brussels, Paris, Berlin etc. As the cost of aviation fuel will soon make high-speed rail far more attractive, in price, let alone convenience.


But this dream can't be realised because in reality we are living in a nightmare. A nightmare that is Midland Metro. And we are still wasting money on this transport cancer.

A cancer, that is starving resources to the host organism - and thus destroying it, because it hinders transport development, not only locally here in the WM but nationally too, by occupying a vital national strategic rail route, as well as sapping on precious local resources that would be better spent elsewhere on NWM.

Bury was at the end of a double track siding. Ripe for LRT. Metro Line One – is an important strategic rail route not just to the WM but also to the UK too.
 

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So all in all a bit of a rant about not liking the trams and rose tinted spectacles about reopening what you can of the old Low Level route.

Even without the tram none of that would happen. Why on earth would Wolves need so many platforms? There is no freight potential within the West Midlands area apart from Intermodal, even the old Albion site is likely to bin it's rail connection and the steel terminal is hardly a hive of activity. If Tata ever decided to close Round Oak then there is no heavy traffic at all. The route from Stourbridge to Walsall will only ever be a single line at best if/when it gets reinstated.
 
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