You would still be liable to a PFN, as you did not produce a vaild ticket on demand. I see where you are coming from though.
18. Ticketless travel in non-compulsory ticket areas
(1) In any area not designated as a compulsory ticket area, no person shall enter any train for the purpose of travelling on the railway unless he has with him a valid ticket entitling him to travel.
A quick dodger may manage to see the TTI coming and purchase said ticket with his telephone as soon as he enters the carriage - thus having it ready in time to be able to present it on demand. A case similar to this is PTE scratchcard, more than once I have seen coming on for half a carriage validating their tickets when the guard enters the carriage, presumably having hoped the guard would not appear.You would still be liable to a PFN, as you did not produce a vaild ticket on demand. I see where you are coming from though.
I recognize that this is hypothetical and you are in no means suggesting that you would pull such a stunt, having said that....
I don't believe that's correct.Just thought I should add; e-tickets cannot be presented on a phone or other device. They must be printed prior to boarding a train and be presented as a printout to the inspector. e-tickets are similar to m-tickets in the sense that they are only available in conjunction with Advance tickets bought at least a day before travel with no flexibility.
Yep,Chiltern electronic tickets can be presented on a phone, unless you are distinguishing e-tickets from mobile tickets, in which case ignore my message.
You're right, just checked and it is indeed possible.I just tried using Chiltern's iPhone app and it seems to let you buy a m-ticket for immediate use, and displayed at gates or for inspection on your handset.
It was an OPS ticket (Super off-peak single, Chiltern Only) so it is not restricted to a specific train.
I don't know if the m-tickets are valid if you do not scan them through a gate, however. Probably best nobody confirms that
You would only validate your ticket once, before your first train.Wouldn't that also take a whole bunch of flexibility out of the system too? Travelling short, break of journey, etc..
I've been thinking of something similar. Generally, people never like to feel that they are being "fined". They will also happily turn up early and queue up if there's a discount to be had.Its time they had a ticket validation machine (Like the French composter) on the stations, this would stop all these dodges.
Penalty fares system should be scrapped, and replaced with a £5 mandatory surcharge on all tickets bought on trains etc, where ticket office or TVMs are available. The conductor guard etc should receive a high percentage of the £5 as commission!!!
Several penalty fare TOCs are already prosecuting people instead of a penalty fares anyway.
But would that make any difference? Is there an actual byelaw that covers that situation? Producing a ticket on demand, yes, but actually bought more than a few seconds before the demand?the purchasing onboard trick is easily defeated by making sure the e-ticket has a purchase timestamp?
So boarding a train with the intention, means and ability to pay for a ticket using a portal that is capable of selling a ticket for immediate use by the train operator could result in a prosecution?I recognize that this is hypothetical and you are in no means suggesting that you would pull such a stunt, having said that....
I think that anyone caught trying do do such a thing would find themselves facing a RoR S. 5 prosecution, as I can think of only 1 reason for such an act....
Boarding a train with the intent to only purchase a ticket if tickets are checked, and not otherwise is in my opinion an offence under S.5 of the Regulation of Railways Act (Intent to avoid paying a fare). It would be down to the magistrate and what evidence was presented to determine if there was sufficient evidence to meet the legal standard for prosecution. That would, of course depend on the individual circumstances and what the offender said to the RPI.So boarding a train with the intention, means and ability to pay for a ticket using a portal that is capable of selling a ticket for immediate use by the train operator could result in a prosecution?