18. Ticketless travel in non-compulsory ticket areas
(1) In any area not designated as a compulsory ticket area, no person shall enter any train for the purpose of travelling on the railway unless he has with him a valid ticket entitling him to travel.
A quick dodger may manage to see the TTI coming and purchase said ticket with his telephone as soon as he enters the carriage - thus having it ready in time to be able to present it on demand. A case similar to this is PTE scratchcard, more than once I have seen coming on for half a carriage validating their tickets when the guard enters the carriage, presumably having hoped the guard would not appear.You would still be liable to a PFN, as you did not produce a vaild ticket on demand. I see where you are coming from though.
Just thought I should add; e-tickets cannot be presented on a phone or other device. They must be printed prior to boarding a train and be presented as a printout to the inspector. e-tickets are similar to m-tickets in the sense that they are only available in conjunction with Advance tickets bought at least a day before travel with no flexibility.
Chiltern electronic tickets can be presented on a phone, unless you are distinguishing e-tickets from mobile tickets, in which case ignore my message.
I just tried using Chiltern's iPhone app and it seems to let you buy a m-ticket for immediate use, and displayed at gates or for inspection on your handset.
It was an OPS ticket (Super off-peak single, Chiltern Only) so it is not restricted to a specific train.
I don't know if the m-tickets are valid if you do not scan them through a gate, however. Probably best nobody confirms that
Wouldn't that also take a whole bunch of flexibility out of the system too? Travelling short, break of journey, etc..
Its time they had a ticket validation machine (Like the French composter) on the stations, this would stop all these dodges.
Penalty fares system should be scrapped, and replaced with a £5 mandatory surcharge on all tickets bought on trains etc, where ticket office or TVMs are available. The conductor guard etc should receive a high percentage of the £5 as commission!!!
Several penalty fare TOCs are already prosecuting people instead of a penalty fares anyway.
the purchasing onboard trick is easily defeated by making sure the e-ticket has a purchase timestamp?
I recognize that this is hypothetical and you are in no means suggesting that you would pull such a stunt, having said that....
I think that anyone caught trying do do such a thing would find themselves facing a RoR S. 5 prosecution, as I can think of only 1 reason for such an act....
So boarding a train with the intention, means and ability to pay for a ticket using a portal that is capable of selling a ticket for immediate use by the train operator could result in a prosecution?