I’m guessing in that case that there will be a lot of ‘dead ‘running then? Drivers starting early in the morning will have to travel to Jesmond presumably to start the routes?
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I’m guessing in that case that there will be a lot of ‘dead ‘running then? Drivers starting early in the morning will have to travel to Jesmond presumably to start the routes?
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This was discussed quite a bit a few posts back. Yes, largely, but probably not to central Newcastle, eg Cramlington for the 43. Assuming drivers do transfer!
Arriva buses in Hertfordshire are affected by a strike on 5 and 6 September.
Details from the Intalink site:
https://www.intalink.org.uk/arriva-planned-strikes-hertfordshire-network
Details from the Intalink site:
https://www.intalink.org.uk/arriva-planned-strikes-hertfordshire-network
Well, Uno and Centrebus will be enjoying a huge uplift in use on those days.
Tetchytyke
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A lot of strikes in Arriva divisions, more so than the other big bus groups.
Makes you wonder what's going on with the big bosses. They've already had to back down in Yorkshire and Merseyside and they've also trashed any remaining goodwill they had in those areas, I can't see it ending any other way elsewhere. Maybe they think the withheld pay from strike days will pay for the wage rises?
Makes you wonder what's going on with the big bosses. They've already had to back down in Yorkshire and Merseyside and they've also trashed any remaining goodwill they had in those areas, I can't see it ending any other way elsewhere. Maybe they think the withheld pay from strike days will pay for the wage rises?
Andy Pacer
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Are they?
I don't think I am alone in not being sure of what @Andy Pacer meant by 'Are they?' - whether it refers to 'if Arriva up north is paying a higher salary than their colleagues in the South East', or 'you can see their reasons for striking'.
This may explain some of the posts that followed.
(They have been striking - url] https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/bus-drivers-on-strike-at-several-depots-272917/ [/url] - but their earnings are unknown to me. Maybe others could help?)
This may explain some of the posts that followed.
(They have been striking - url] https://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/bus-drivers-on-strike-at-several-depots-272917/ [/url] - but their earnings are unknown to me. Maybe others could help?)
Interestingly Arriva have picked up a couple of Herts County Council Sunday contracts which it looks like Uno relinquished.
Details on here https://www.intalink.org.uk/october-2022
Details on here https://www.intalink.org.uk/october-2022
Andy Pacer
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That's correct, Aylesbury will just do the 500.
Breaking the Watford - Aylesbury link which dates back to London Transport days (301 and 706 in LT / LCBS days).
ironic that Sundays will see a better Watford-Aylesbury direct link now , with the 501 remaining
Not the only example in Herts.
The weekday 242 operated by Metroline only runs Potters Bar - Cheshunt, with most journeys only going between Cuffley and Cheshunt, yet the Sunday service - which Arriva are taking over from Uno continues from Potters Bar to Hatfield and Welwyn Gdn City.
TheGrandWazoo
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Not quite Arriva but something that may influence what happens to it... https://www.reuters.com/business/au...l-schenker-logistics-unit-sources-2022-09-08/
According to Reuters, The German Government has agreed in principle with Deutsche Bahn to sell its Schenker logistics business.
Banking sources value Schenker between 12 and 20 billion euros ($19.97 billion), although valuation calculations will be influenced by the state of the global economy and impact from the war in Ukraine and the ongoing energy crisis.
A sale of the logistics company began following the transition to Germany’s coalition government, led by Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s Social Democrats (SPD) last year.
The supervisory board of state-owned Deutsche Bahn will approve the sale as soon as possible, potentially this year, sources told Reuters.
To be fair, Arriva have been doing some limited investment in the last year or so - sizeable orders of Streetdecks and Streetlites for Merseyside, Volvos for Luton and Enviro's for Northumbria. Still hardly compensates for the lack of orders in the last few years though.
TheGrandWazoo
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Limited is being charitable. They have taken less than 100 new vehicles which could be understood given the state of the industry, but it compounds the issue of insufficient investment in the past.
They got away with it because people were far too obsessed with giving pelters at First, long after Moir had gone and the rights issue and the various divestments. Arriva's decline has been evident for a long while but folks were too concerned with First.
Agreed, and the investment is still very limited compared to that from Stagecoach, Go-Ahead and especially First, who have been investing in a fair few batches of vehicles in recent years. Also worth noting that Arriva hasn't invested in any alternative-fuel vehicles, compared to lots of new electric vehicles with Stagecoach (Manchester, Aberdeen, Cambridge, others), Go-Ahead (Salisbury, Newcastle), First (Glasgow, Leeds), Transdev (Harrogate)...the list goes on. As I said in the previous post, Arriva has completely neglected regional fleets in recent years - when was the last order of vehicles before the current batch, 2017 or so? Obviously partly to do with the (non-existent) sale of the company, but it really is awful to see the decline.
In my local area, which has just benefited from new deliveries, the state of some of the fleet is really terrible. Until very recently there were 2001-2002 B7TLs working express services, along with Solos dating from 2008, many of which had never even been repainted. There are still multiple buses running around in the old (pre-2009) livery.
For the last few days (I think since Wednesday) I have been trying to access the Arriva website. The response is:
'There is no need for paper timetables/ travel centres, it is all on the internet', except it is inaccessible. I know that I can use 'bustimes' or 'traveline' but the general public don't. In any case, my query is about multi journey tickets. I could e-mail them but I've been down that road before ... It just means that the trip I had planned (and replanned) has been put on hold (possibly never to be taken as it uses a route with a short life span) and another, using Stagecoach and an independent, promoted because their information is accessible. A minor loss of revenue but just appears typical of the organisation. Others have less option. I know there have been timetable changes recently of which the occasional user may not be aware. As Roger French regularly identifies, you can't depend on there being an up-to-date (or any) timetable in the case at stops.
I would have thought that you ensure that the new system works before you take the old system down. It maybe 'under construction' but at least if I visit a building site, I can see how close to completion it is, this I have no clue!
'There is no need for paper timetables/ travel centres, it is all on the internet', except it is inaccessible. I know that I can use 'bustimes' or 'traveline' but the general public don't. In any case, my query is about multi journey tickets. I could e-mail them but I've been down that road before ... It just means that the trip I had planned (and replanned) has been put on hold (possibly never to be taken as it uses a route with a short life span) and another, using Stagecoach and an independent, promoted because their information is accessible. A minor loss of revenue but just appears typical of the organisation. Others have less option. I know there have been timetable changes recently of which the occasional user may not be aware. As Roger French regularly identifies, you can't depend on there being an up-to-date (or any) timetable in the case at stops.
I would have thought that you ensure that the new system works before you take the old system down. It maybe 'under construction' but at least if I visit a building site, I can see how close to completion it is, this I have no clue!
Andy Pacer
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Working fine for me...
If it was after 6pm, I doubt having such a vehicle on the route was a problem.
I remember back in the 80s/90s Luton and District routunely used minibuses (Ivecos mainly) on routes like the 733 Hitchin - Watford or the 92-99 Luton - Hitchin - Letchworth etc on evenings snd Sundays.
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py_megapixel
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Works fine (well, as fine as their website ever does) for me. I suspect you have ended up with the "under construction" page cached, which means the browser has stored it on your computer to avoid the need to keep loading the same data - this shouldn't really happen for data such as that page that is expected to change frequently, but if Arriva have set something up wrong then it might have anyway.
Are you using Google Chrome? If so, try going back to that page and clicking the refresh button while holding down the CTRL key. This should clear the cache.
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