TheGrandWazoo
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They worked with Wright to create a lower Gemini 2 body on a Daf DB300 chassis. They are found on Yorkshire, Merseyside and North Wales as well.
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Thanks Both, interesting that they standardised them. Very odd looking things.
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It does seem to be standard for VDL and Volvo B5LHs for Arriva outside London.
Conversely, the VDLs in Leicester and Volvo B9TLs in Derby have standard non-flattened upper decks. IIRC the Volvo B9TLs on route X93 (Middlesbrough - Scarborough) have these standard rather than flattened upper decks too.
Andy Pacer
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Although those are Gemini 1's not Gemini 2's (of the original Leicester and Derby batches). I don't think a low height top was available on the original Gemini.
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Also the Oxford Bus Company have a few of these low height ones on the B5LH chassis....
TheGrandWazoo
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The X93 vehicles were from dealer stock so not to Arriva spec
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A further update on Darlington services due to be revised today, 9th July 2023.
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/north-east-july-changes
Service 12 loses a couple of peak hour return journeys between Darlington and Hurworth. Services 17 and 18 are operating the same timetables as previously operated by the Mowden and Harrowgate Farm sections of services 3 and 3A respectively.
https://www.arrivabus.co.uk/latest-news/north-east-july-changes
Service 12 loses a couple of peak hour return journeys between Darlington and Hurworth. Services 17 and 18 are operating the same timetables as previously operated by the Mowden and Harrowgate Farm sections of services 3 and 3A respectively.
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northern506
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From what I gather, services 12 and 17 are going to be merged come September. That opens up some interesting new links (e.g Yarm to Darlington).
TheGrandWazoo
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Yeah but links that have been tried several times before and been unviable. The 80 Darlo-Stockton stopped in 1985, there was the 21 than ran from Middlesbrough via Yarm to Teesside Airport and I think even another service did in the 2000s - might’ve been an extension of the 74/12 to Stockton
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darloscott
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They had the 20 which ran from the Airport to Middlesbrough and various extensions beyond there over the years. When that got binned they combined the lot as a ‘12’ all the way from Middlesbrough to Hurworth… I gather something similar is out for tender to start in September.
TheGrandWazoo
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Thanks for correcting me on 20 rather than 21 (it’s too long ago) and same for confirming that there was an extension for the 12.
It’ll be a waste of time as the three previous occasions, I imagine, but hope to be proven wrong
Taken from The Leader Wrexham:
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Arriva investigation underway after bus got stuck under railway bridge in Wrexham
ARRIVA has said an investigation is underway after one of its buses collided with a bridge in Wrexham.
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rich.davies
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Ooops, first time I've known that to happen with a bus in Wrexham. Lack of route diversion knowledge, perhaps?Taken from The Leader Wrexham:
Arriva investigation underway after bus got stuck under railway bridge in Wrexham
ARRIVA has said an investigation is underway after one of its buses collided with a bridge in Wrexham.
It won't be a tender unless they want to duplicate the 17, most of the 17 route is still commercial. It'll be sold as a link to Houchen's pet project - the airport, which similarly, has been attempted numerous times and the same thing has happened every time.
Andy Pacer
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Would say that's pretty obvious!
darloscott
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I did wonder how much longer they would last on the single remaining town route… another win for Red Group there then!
Interestingly it appears the Wycombe town network is all up for a reorganisation and the longer distance services just show timetable changes. Will be interesting to see what the network looks like soon!
Interestingly it appears the Wycombe town network is all up for a reorganisation and the longer distance services just show timetable changes. Will be interesting to see what the network looks like soon!
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What is happening with Arriva in Watford, as they have posted a pic on their Facebook page asking for passenger views?
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Yes - after seeing the post about Aylesbury route 9 I checked the Wycombe registrations on the same site. All the local services are shown as "cancelled" with timetable changes registered against the inter-urban routes. We shall wait and see!
What is the current situation with the operations in Northumbria? Has Walkergate closed yet, and are the two Blyth operating centres still scheduled to be combined into one?
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What is happening with Arriva in Watford, as they have posted a pic on their Facebook page asking for passenger views?
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Could have at least had all 3 chrome inserts in the logo for a picture!
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The Wycombe locals are all reregistered with lower numbers, I too thought they were binning the lot until I did a bit more digging!
Walkergate is due to close in September with services 43/44/45/47/553 running from Blyth and 51-55 abandoned.
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The changes to Arriva and other operators in Bucks from the end of the month can now be seen here: https://www.buckinghamshire.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-transport/bus-passes-and-travel/changes-to-bus-services/. It doesn't look great for Arriva in Aylesbury - losing the 9 as remarked on above, and also facing serious competition from Redline on the Aylesbury-Oxford route, with their X20 now running with the same daytime frequency as Arriva's 280, though without Arriva's Thame shorts, and with times that at least look coordinated. Wycombe's looking a bit better, with various frequency increases and the renumbering of the town network. Can't quite see the point in it myself, and splitting the 32 and 33 also seems an odd choice.
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Lots of interesting changes here, some good, some bad.
In Aylesbury Arriva look to be giving up on their last local route, the 9. At present this runs every 20 minutes each way round the circuit to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, a key traffic objective, with 3 buses. Now they are just giving up on it. Red Rose will run during the week and there are plenty of inter-urban services passing it, but this is such a come down from when Arriva and predecessors ran most of Aylesbury. Yesterday they seemed to have virtually given up on it already with (usual caveats about BusTimes) only one bus of three running for much of the day and the last two circuits each way missing.
Minor changes to the 280/X8, still mainly every 15 minutes between Thame and Oxford. But there are strange gaps, no arrival in Oxford 15.44 to 16.30, then gaps in departures from Oxford 16.00-16.35, 17.05-17.35, 17.45-18.15, peak gaps of 30 minutes or maore, not much changed from now. No wonder Redline sense an opportunity with their increased X20, every 30 minutes during the day but extra evening peak journeys out of Oxford.
Minor changes to the 300/X30 from Aylesbury, still every 20 minutes via Naphill during the day while some peak journeys operate direct. This leaves big gaps, at present the first High Wycombe arrival from Naphill after 08.00 is at 08.51, with the new timetable it will be 9.00. Surely this is a key time period with town centre workers arriving? I don't understand why they run any journeys via the X30 when Redline's 130 covers this, I would have thought they should stick to the Naphill route.
Many changes in Wycombe, mostly for the better.
The 30 to Downley becomes the 10 and increases from every 30 minutes (mostly run off the 800/850) to every 20 minutes (probably stand alone)
The 31 to Penn becomes the 11 and is increased between the peaks from every 60 minutes to every 30 minutes. I guess this might now run off the 800/850.
The 32 is split into the 2 and the 12, the 2 to Booker and the 12 to Micklefield, both legs increased from every 20 minutes to every 15. As both services appears to arrive and depart the bus station at the same time I suspect they continue to work together, but the allocation will go from 5 buses (6 in peaks) to 7 all day.
The 33 is split into the 3 and the 13, the 3 to Castlefield staying every 15 minutes while the 13 to Totteridge is reduced from every 15 minutes to every 20 minutes. At present this route uses 4 buses, it looks like the 3 and 13 could each be standalone using 2 buses each. This is no change to resources but a worse service to Totteridge, presumably in the cause of reliability.
The 35, 36 and 37 to Bourne End and Maidenhead are renumbered 5, 6 and 7 but no significant change, still 5 buses out during the day. These routes are generally where the double deckers are concentrated, at least during the day, we'll see if this continues.
The 48 is renumbered to the 4, but no real change.
On the 800/850 to Reading there is an improvement with the evening service on the 800 now running through to Reading. I wonder if this is commercial or if there is some support. Also, at long last, they have realised that the 850 takes quite a bit longer to get into Reading than the 800 and now buses will switch routes at Reading, so an 800 in will be an 850 out. This should improve reliability of the 850, but will initially confuse passengers leaving Reading as the times are largely swapped. Confusingly most times are 5 minutes earlier than now, so some people will miss the bus for a while! Also there are some bigger gaps in the service, at present there are departures from Henley to Wycombe at 07.30, 07.45 and 08.00, all fairly well used. Now 07.15, 07.45, 08.25, the last will be too late for Marlow schoolchildren so the 07.45 will be very busy. I'd put money on a duplicate or extra journey by the end of September...
It does generally seem positive around High Wycombe, with the Carousel 1/1A/1B to Amersham becoming every 15 minutes instead of every 20 minutes too - although like most of the Arriva changes this is only going back to how it used to be. Is any of this funded by Bucks' small amount of BSIP money I wonder?
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Full details on website and socials but some minor service alterations in Maidstone and Medway from early September, mostly a rearranging of the deck chairs in terms of who operates which tendered services at certain times or indeed at all but some time table tweaks as well for reliability purposes as well as the withdrawal of the six five three
In the Medway towns for the last few weeks it's been a game of "spot the bus that is not on diversion"
In the Medway towns for the last few weeks it's been a game of "spot the bus that is not on diversion"
Let's actually name a proper source, rather than the vague "full details on website and socials".
This is from the Arriva news website - note the timetable links go to the current timetables so are not useful!
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Gillingham
-Service 100
Additional journey will be introduced – click here for timetable
Some journeys will be changed or removed following tender revisions on services;
Service 140/141 – click here for timetable
Service 190 – click here for timetable
Service 191 – click here for timetable
Service 193 – click here for timetable
Service 693
Service will be withdrawn
Minor timetable changes will be made to all other services to improve reliability.
Maidstone
-One journey on Services 5 and 72 will be removed due to tender loss (these journeys will be run by Nu-Venture instead).
Service 5 – click here for timetable
Service 72 – click here for timetable
Tunbridge Wells
-Service 277
Early Monday – Friday) journeys moved earlier to offer better arrival time at the hospital – click here for timetable
Service 582
Times are revised due to school time changes – click here for timetable
Tendered services 771 and 773 will no longer be operated by Arriva.
Dartford
-Service 414
Times revised to align with new school times and the short journey will be removed – click here for timetable
Service 497
Times revised to align with new school times – click here for timetable
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Arriva have recently filed their company accounts for Arriva Merseyside and Arriva North West for the year ending December 2021. These accounts should have been filed by September 2022, so they are nearly a year late filing their accounts. I always think it is quite telling on the state of a company's organisation and finances if they take so long to put a set of accounts together and get them audited. They managed to file accounts consistently on time until 4 years ago - but has gone downhill since then.
Still, they are more prompt than some of the other subsidiaries, Arriva Yorkshire and The Shires have not filed any accounts for 2021 yet.
The other odd thing about the Merseyside accounts is that they have written off the whole value of the bus fleet - all £48m of it (plus another £2m write off of property assets), turning what would have been a tidy £7m profit into a thumping loss. I can't really get my head around why they would do this..effectively saying there is no value to the bus fleet. Anyone got any ideas ?
find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk
Still, they are more prompt than some of the other subsidiaries, Arriva Yorkshire and The Shires have not filed any accounts for 2021 yet.
The other odd thing about the Merseyside accounts is that they have written off the whole value of the bus fleet - all £48m of it (plus another £2m write off of property assets), turning what would have been a tidy £7m profit into a thumping loss. I can't really get my head around why they would do this..effectively saying there is no value to the bus fleet. Anyone got any ideas ?
With link to the Companies House for the accounts
ARRIVA MERSEYSIDE LIMITED overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK
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