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I have a priv card. Wondering about one thing: if using it, I would rather buy on board so that the guard gets commission but I don't want them to think I'm trying to get a free ride when I'm honestly happy to pay and sometimes (virgin!) I can't find the guard before getting on at a station with no dwell time, so can't give them a heads up. Worried it might be awkward, especially when I often see virgin TMs not taking their avantix when they go on ticket checks.
I guess after writing all that out the obvious thing is to just buy before I travel and the guard loses the commission.
I guess after writing all that out the obvious thing is to just buy before I travel and the guard loses the commission.
As a fare paying passenger I have no objection to rail staff getting free travel although it does slightly grate seeing all the old BR now Network Rail staff getting in 1st class in the morning!
Alternatively maybe all fares should be heavily discounted as its daft I can buy a cheaper fare in advance than rail staff. However if travelling on a free ticket then I believe people should stand if there are fare paying passengers standing.
As others have said its not going to cost anything to give rail staff free or minimal cost travel as the trains are running anyway, and like the rest of us if the fare is expensive the staff will just drive anyway. In fact giving them minimal cost travel might benefit them as more staff would use the services generating revenue!
Alternatively maybe all fares should be heavily discounted as its daft I can buy a cheaper fare in advance than rail staff. However if travelling on a free ticket then I believe people should stand if there are fare paying passengers standing.
As others have said its not going to cost anything to give rail staff free or minimal cost travel as the trains are running anyway, and like the rest of us if the fare is expensive the staff will just drive anyway. In fact giving them minimal cost travel might benefit them as more staff would use the services generating revenue!
dk1
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I am surprised that the Tax Man has not cracked down on this as it would appear to be a taxable benefit.
If the trains are running anyway, why not give everyone free travel.
Silv1983
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Wow, really?
No, obviously not. I think your sarcasm detector needs repairing
Silv1983
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No, obviously not. I think your sarcasm detector needs repairing
Your contextual detector needs repairing
Was referring to the legitimacy of the opinion itself not the fact
What makes you think it isn't being treated as a taxable benefit?
Believe it appears on a P11D (not sure though)
DJ737
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I have wondered why they haven't yet replaced PRIV with a rail employee railcard enabling 33% off all tickets for all UK rail staff.
They could start off by issuing them to non-safeguarded staff for travel at anytime of day.
Safeguarded staff could be issued with one as well, but keep free travel boxes although they might have to increase the amount of free travel boxes to compensate as safeguarded staff will have to pay 66% of the anytime fare instead of 25%.
Just a thought
DJ737
Melbourne, Australia
I have wondered why they haven't yet replaced PRIV with a rail employee railcard enabling 33% off all tickets for all UK rail staff.
They could start off by issuing them to non-safeguarded staff for travel at anytime of day.
Safeguarded staff could be issued with one as well, but keep free travel boxes although they might have to increase the amount of free travel boxes to compensate as safeguarded staff will have to pay 66% of the anytime fare instead of 25%.
Just a thought
DJ737
Melbourne, Australia
Northern1
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I totally agree that the Priv system is unfair, I was an unlucky employee who started worked for the old Regional Railways on 7th April 1996 in my conductor training, and on receiving travel facilities I was only entitled to 75%Discount, where some former colleagues in the previous training group who started in early March that year received BR Free travel. I did check this on several occasions and was informed that the cut of date was 31/03/96 so by a single week I missed out!!!
However what I didn't know until recently is that a former staff member left Northern recently and went to work full time for a local heritage railway operation, and guess what receives National Rail priv travel by a BR Box card (Boxes all crossed out though)!
However what I didn't know until recently is that a former staff member left Northern recently and went to work full time for a local heritage railway operation, and guess what receives National Rail priv travel by a BR Box card (Boxes all crossed out though)!
bunnahabhain
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So the same as your TOC Priv Card. They get 75% off.
Northern1
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Basically, apart from he can get reduced travel on London Underground and can apply for Priv Oyster.
Haywain
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That's not really a fair comparison, is it? You get a hell of a lot further in 3h 42m on East Coast or Virgin than you do with Scotrail. On East Coast you can typically get around 300 miles from London, and it's similar with Virgin. Glasgow QS to Fort William is 122 miles.
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