Azuma seating plans / windows

[williamn]

Apologies if posted before, I did check.
Does anyone know if a seating plan exists of LNER Azuma's, specifically the 5 car car ones, which shows window placement? The ones they have posted online don't...

 

[YorksLad12]

Not that I've seen. You can sort-of work out the window arrangement by looking at the seats with tables as they line up with windows. The seats on either side of the table seats should have windows if facing the same direction as the seats in front. I think...

 

[XAM2175]

This is becoming something of an annoying trend with many operators, especially given that LNER's own seat plans for the IC225 sets do show the window positions very clearly.

 

[williamn]

And especially relevant to Azumas given that some seats have no window at all, and that moving from your reserved seat is forbidden at the moment.

 

[ainsworth74]

Yes it is somewhat annoying that they don't show where the windows are. I ended up reserving myself against a window pillar twice last Saturday! It wasn't terrible as I was reading/working but still a bit irritating. I wonder if @Wallsendmag might be able to illuminate us all on the matter?

 

[Wallsendmag]

And especially relevant to Azumas given that some seats have no window at all, and that moving from your reserved seat is forbidden at the moment.

None of the windowless Azuma seats are available , they are being converted into luggage racks

 

[HowardGWR]

None of the windowless Azuma seats are available , they are being converted into luggage racks

They'll still be used by students!

 

[westv]

None of the windowless Azuma seats are available , they are being converted into luggage racks

But that won't include those seats with very poor outside visibility that aren't at the ends of coaches.

 

[swt_passenger]

None of the windowless Azuma seats are available , they are being converted into luggage racks

Is that all trains now? Wasn’t the original luggage stack announcement about 9 cars only?

 

[Wallsendmag]

Is that all trains now? Wasn’t the original luggage stack announcement about 9 cars only?

I believe the 5 car ones aren't reservable

 

[hexagon789]

They'll still be used by students!

What, even when the seats have been physically removed and replaced with luggage racks?

 

[swt_passenger]

I believe the 5 car ones aren't reservable

Yes, that rings a bell now...

 

[Mordac]

What, even when the seats have been physically removed and replaced with luggage racks?

I've sat on a luggage rack when there was no seat available, but this was on a two car 158.

 

[rebmcr]

Are the GWR and LNER units not specified alike by the DfT? Would seating plans for one also apply to the other?

 

[py_megapixel]

Are the GWR and LNER units not specified alike by the DfT? Would seating plans for one also apply to the other?

Well they have different seating plans anyway because LNER units have a buffet and GW ones don't

 

[Seehof]

Due to social distancing it is possible that now you are reserved into an Azuma windowless seat ie the former seats that were to be converted to additional luggage space.

 

[ainsworth74]

Due to social distancing it is possible that now you are reserved into an Azuma windowless seat ie the former seats that were to be converted to additional luggage space.

Is it? The units I've been on still have the seats bagged out as luggage only.

 

[py_megapixel]

Is it? The units I've been on still have the seats bagged out as luggage only.

Is there an actual plan to install a luggage rack? Or are there just going to forever be a set of seats which aren't available for use?

 

[hexagon789]

Is there an actual plan to install a luggage rack? Or are there just going to forever be a set of seats which aren't available for use?

Definitely were to be converted to racks, probably with COVID it's very much of secondary consideration

 

[swt_passenger]

Is there an actual plan to install a luggage rack? Or are there just going to forever be a set of seats which aren't available for use?

There is a definite plan to replace seats with luggage stacks in the 9 car units. Hence Mine and @Wallsendmag posting yesterday...

But here’s the LNER PR including info about it, discussed in the main Azuma thread at the time:

Azuma arrives for LNER Aberdeen services

LNER is celebrating the arrival of Azuma services on the East Coast route between Aberdeen and London King’s Cross.

www.lner.co.uk

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Is it? The units I've been on still have the seats bagged out as luggage only.

They are, but the first row of available seats at each end in each carriage has only about 2 or 3 inches of window and I suspect that's what's being referred to in this thread?

 

[williamn]

I upgraded to First on the way out (£8 on seat frog!) to guarantee myself a window... weirdly it reserved me into an aisle seat!

I’m on my return trip and despite there being only three people in my carriage one person’s been reserved into the windowless spot opposite the luggage rack. I’d be very annoyed if I was them!

 

[Seehof]

I know of someone who came down from Edinburgh reserved into a windowless seat. They were not happy but for obvious reasons did not like to move. I seem to remember they said it was the “buffet car” coach.

 

[westv]

They are, but the first row of available seats at each end in each carriage has only about 2 or 3 inches of window and I suspect that's what's being referred to in this thread?

Plus others. For example, B41/42 have no window.

Edit:

In the 9 coach set . Coach B 11/12/13/14/39/40/41/42/73/74/75/76 Plus the first two rows at either end have greatly reduced visibility.​

 

[800001]

Definitely were to be converted to racks, probably with COVID it's very much of secondary consideration

They have started at least 4 of the 800/1s been completed so far, maybe more.
This is being done at Hitachis Factory at Newton Aycliffe.
The 9 car bimodes are first and then attention turns to the 9 car 801s

 

[hexagon789]

They have started at least 4 of the 800/1s been completed so far, maybe more.
This is being done at Hitachis Factory at Newton Aycliffe.
The 9 car bimodes are first and then attention turns to the 9 car 801s

Just taking them a bit of time then to do, presumably as I outlined above?

 

[800001]

Just taking them a bit of time then to do, presumably as I outlined above?

Aycliffe factory went into lock down due to Covid.
The seat manufacturer and other parts needed were also affected due to covid.
Hitachi has less people working in a confined space in the train at factory due to Covid.
They are only releasing one train at a time to get the mods done.
So yes it it's taking a while, but this was due to start April time but as delayed due to multiple reasons!!

 

[hexagon789]

Aycliffe factory went into lock down due to Covid.
The seat manufacturer and other parts needed were also affected due to covid.
Hitachi has less people working in a confined space in the train at factory due to Covid.
They are only releasing one train at a time to get the mods done.
So yes it it's taking a while, but this was due to start April time but as delayed due to multiple reasons!!

No I appreciate that, I was saying that I assumed it was delayed due to COVID not criticising the delay.

 

[Stormaggeddon]

How about this? It was an FOI response (not mine).

 

[westv]

How about this? It was an FOI response (not mine).

As per my reply further up, not every seat with a window has a viable outside view so any plan that just shows windowless seats is slightly lacking.