Back in the day...

[CW2]

Crikey @Sultan1056 - as if your journeys weren't already adventurous enough! I'm glad you and other passengers were able to disembark safely.

Hear Hear to that!
Could have been a lot worse, by the sound of it

 

[D1537]

Early again tonight! I can't beat a derailment I'm afraid (I have a low speed collision in my book, but nothing like actually falling off the rails!)

Tuesday 20 September 1988

Freedom of Scotland Day 2

47636 1H01 Larbert-Pitlochry (I have no idea why the overnights passed at Pit instead of Blair that night!)
47642 1T04 Pitlochry-Stirling
47518 1P02 Stirling-Edinburgh
47118 2O71 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS
47707 1O16 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh
47118 1H11 Edinburgh-Inverness


47642 passes 47118 at ... er ... somewhere. Aviemore?

47578 1B36 Inverness-Pitlochry
47563 1H15 Pitlochry-Inverness
47622 1T04/1P02 Inverness-Edinburgh

 

[Bald Rick]

The next thing I was aware of was being awoken by large banging noises, then I realised that my feet were rising above my head. I sat up as the carriage began to tilt to one side. Fearing the coach would crash onto its side I put my feet towards the window. Fortunately the train came to a halt with the coach leaning at a 45 degree angle. Apparently a set of points had split under the carriage I was travelling in, derailing it, with everything else on the train staying on the track.

Good Grief! Must have been qute a moment. Glad to hear all emerged unscathed.

I have often wondered when reading these historical threads of the 70s and 80s if anyone was on a train that was involved in a derailment or collission. Given the rate of such incidents then it was a fair chance, and here we are.

(I know a few people who have been in train crashes, including one colleague who has been in two)

 

[12LDA28C]

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47642 passes 47118 at ... er ... somewhere. Aviemore?

Most certainly Aviemore, yes. I have a similar photo myself of 47644 and 47518.

 

[12LDA28C]

(I know a few people who have been in train crashes, including one colleague who has been in two)

Sounds like an interesting topic for a new thread...

 

[Bald Rick]

Sounds like an interesting topic for a new thread...

I did think that, but it may be a bit morbid.

 

[xotGD]

I remember hearing about the Manors derailment at the time.

IIRC, at least one crank walked down the track to the Central Station.

 

[Falcon1200]

I have often wondered when reading these historical threads of the 70s and 80s if anyone was on a train that was involved in a derailment or collission.

Despite having travelled extensively by rail since 1972, I have not - In the UK at least! I was on a train in Austria which had a car run into the side of it on a level crossing, without serious damage or injury luckily, although the train was terminated there. A colleague in Glasgow Control was however on the sleeper which derailed at Morpeth in June 1984, fortunately they were not hurt.

Good to hear that @Sultan1056 was OK after their incident.

 

[Sultan1056]

Saturday 20th September 1975

DMU York-Leeds (0657 York-Leeds)
DMU Leeds-Manchester Vic (0745 Leeds-Liverpool LS)
40105 Manchester Vic-Chester (0923 Manchester Vic-Llandudno)
40115 Chester-Crewe (0945 Holyhead-Euston)
47476 Crewe-Chester (1300 Euston-Holyhead)
DMU Chester-Manchester Vic (1445 Llandudno-Manchester Vic)
45039 Manchester Vic-York (1710 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)

Wednesday 20th September 1978

45049 York-Sheffield (1620 Newcastle-Cardiff C)
45022 Sheffield-York (1608 Bristol TM-Newcastle)

Thursday 20th September 1979

47525 York-Huddersfield (1525 Edinburgh-Liverpool LS)
47526 Huddersfield-York (1805 Liverpool LS-York)

Saturday 20th September 1980

55005 Grantham-Doncaster (2300 Kings Cross-Bradford Exchange)
55017 Doncaster-Edinburgh (2315 Kings Cross-Aberdeen)
47703 Edinburgh-Haymarket (0655 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS)
27040 Haymarket-Edinburgh (0635 Carstairs-Edinburgh)
55003 Edinburgh-Aberdeen (0855 Edinburgh-Aberdeen)
55003 Aberdeen-Edinburgh (1240 Aberdeen-Edinburgh)
40153 Edinburgh-Newcastle (1707 Edinburgh-Newcastle)
40006 Newcastle-York (1800 Edinburgh-Dewsbury) Return ADEX

Sunday 20th September 1981

For some time after the derailment of my previous train there was uncertainty of when the next train would arrive or depart. Eventually the 2210 Edinburgh-KX (Sleeper Only) managed to pass the derailed train and somehow a single Second Open coach was rustled up and attached to the rear of the Sleeper service. I took this rather wedged train to York where even more people were wanting to board! I waited for the next train which was somewhat less wedged and headed for London. Due to engineering work the train still had to contend with diversions via Askern and Cambridge. With no chance of arriving into London before 1000 I decided to bail at Hitchin and intercept the 1005 KX-York. Fortunately the diverted services were booked to stop at Hitchin to drop off and pick up Conductors.

55016 Newcastle-York via Leamside (2210 Edinburgh-Kings Cross)
55013 York-Hitchin via Askern & Cambridge (1915 Aberdeen-Kings Cross)
55019 Hitchin-York via Cambridge (1005 Kings Cross-York)

 

[Magdalia]

I know a few people who have been in train crashes, including one colleague who has been in two

I was on a train that hit a bicycle that had been thrown onto the track from a bridge. There was no derailment but there was damage to the train, which only got moving again with assistance from the rear after the debris had been removed.

I have also watched a class 47 hit the dirt going through some trap points at Cambridge.

In my commuting career I have three which, in slightly different circumstances, "could have been me". I travelled over the defective track at Hatfield and Potters Bar the evening before the accidents. I passed through Kings Cross Underground station about 3 hours before the fire.

 

[xotGD]

I remember someone claiming that they were on a train passing through Lockerbie that had bits of Pan Am 747 thudding on the roof.

 

[sh24]

I was on 50047 (I think) when it collided with a cow near Feniton. Terminal for both cow and loco.

 

[D1537]

My low speed collision was at Leamington on the day the Pope visited Coventry. We were on a Popex with 47106 when a dmu which had been let in to the same platform (to roll up behind the special) didn't manage to stop in time. Loud bang but the dmu was empty, its driver seemed OK and no-one on the special was injured, just a little surprised.

I was also photographing at Strensall LC (on the York-Scarborough line) in 1982 when a van tried to beat the closing gates, failed, crashed straight into them and ended up in the middle of the tracks. The signalman managed to caution the approaching train (a 46 on a Pennine train) while the van and its very dazed driver were removed from the tracks. A policewoman later came and interviewed me!

 

[APT618S]

Fortunately I have not been involved in any crashes. The closest I have come was that on 13/08/94 I travelled on 1S35 0943 Newquay - Edinburgh formed of HST 43180+43156 and bailed at York. Thought nothing about it until watching the evening news.
This train had gone on collide with 37113 on the outskirts of Edinburgh. The 37 had run away from Waverley down the bank.

 

[D1537]

Fortunately I have not been involved in any crashes. The closest I have come was that on 13/08/94 I travelled on 1S35 0943 Newquay - Edinburgh formed of HST 43180+43156 and bailed at York. Thought nothing about it until watching the evening news.
This train had gone on collide with 37113 on the outskirts of Edinburgh. The 37 had run away from Waverley down the bank.

Ah, I have a similar story to that. In 1999 I got off this train at Crewe on my normal daily commute. I was in the front coach as well, as in those days I was a smoker and it was the smoking carriage.

https://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/HSE_Winsford1999.pdf

 

[D1537]

Wednesday 21 September 1988

Freedom of Scotland Day 3

47717 2O71 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS
47543 1M02 Glasgow C-Carlisle
47541 1S65 Carlisle-Glasgow C
47708 1O34 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh
47643 1H21 Edinburgh-Aviemore
47577 1B36 Aviemore-Edinburgh
47524 1H01 Edinburgh-Inverness

 

[Sultan1056]

Sunday 21st September 1975

DMU York-Manchester Vic (1020 York-Manchester Vic)
DMU Manchester Pic-Reddish N
DMU Reddish N-Manchester Pic
46037 Manchester Vic-Leeds (1555 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)
40105 Leeds-York (1800 Manchester Vic-Newcastle)

Friday 21st September 1979

31279 York-Pontefract Baghill (1931 York-Birmingham NS)
Bus Pontefract-Castleford
Bus Castleford-Garforth
47039 Garforth-Leeds (2039 Hull-Leeds)
45009 Leeds-York (2040 Liverpool LS-York)

Sunday 21st September 1980

55022 York-Grantham (1550 York-Kings Cross)
55017 Grantham-York (1605 Kings Cross-York)

Monday 21st September 1981

I think was the last time that I did my evening Deltic trip to Newark. Shortly after this date the 1740 KX-York went over to HST operation.

55019 York-Newark (1814 York-Kings Cross)
55013 Newark-York (1740 Kings Cross-York)

 

[D1537]

Thursday 22 September 1988

Freedom of Scotland Day 4

47643 1T36 Inverness-Glasgow QS
47707 1O18 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh
47006 1C72 Edinburgh-Haymarket
47704 1O23 Haymarket--Glasgow QS
47550 1H13 Glasgow QS-Gleneagles (failed)
47227 1H13 Gleneagles-Perth (propel from rear)
47227+47550 (dead) 1H13 Perth-Inverness
47642 1M16 Inverness-Aviemore
47641 1H15 Aviemore-Inverness
47525 1T04 Inverness-Stirling

 

[Sultan1056]

Saturday 22nd September 1979

Some new track for me today; this was the first time I travelled along the short Penmanshiel deviation with Deltic 3. Coincidentally the last time that I travelled through Penmanshiel tunnel back in March 79 was with the same Deltic. There seemed to be more 25s out today than the preferred 26/27s although I did manage to drop onto 25021, my only 25/0 for haulage.

55003 York-Edinburgh (2015 Kings Cross-Edinburgh)
40173 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS (0435 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS)
37081 Glasgow QS-Dumbarton (0600 Glasgow QS-Mallaig)
059/303010 Dumbarton-Bowling (0642 Balloch-Bowling) Train terminated at Bowling due to its failure
015 Bowling-Glasgow QS (0647 Helensburgh-Bridgeton)
25049 Glasgow QS-Stirling (0844 Glasgow QS-Dundee)
47274 Stirling-Perth (0935 Glasgow QS-Aberdeen)
25076 Perth-Edinburgh (1105 Perth-Edinburgh)
27202+27212 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS (1300 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS)
40161 Glasgow QS-Bishopbriggs (1444 Glasgow QS-Dundee)
26038 Bishopbriggs-Glasgow QS (1338 Dundee-Glasgow QS)
40167 Glasgow QS-Stirling (1535 Glasgow QS-Aberdeen)
25021 Stirling-Glasgow QS (1538 Dundee-Glasgow QS)
27202+27212 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh (1800 Glasgow QS-Edinburgh)
55009 Edinburgh-York (1630 Aberdeen-York)

 

[Harvester]

Saturday 22nd September 1979

Some new track for me today; this was the first time I travelled along the short Penmanshiel deviation with Deltic 3. Coincidentally the last time that I travelled through Penmanshiel tunnel back in March 79 was with the same Deltic.

This prompted me to look back for my last haulage through Penmanshiel tunnel. It was apparently on 11 November 1978 behind Peak 45042, on a return Nottingham-Edinburgh Merrymaker excursion. My last with steam haulage was 15 years earlier on 11 April 1963, behind A1 60124 on a Waverley-York relief.

 

[D1537]

This prompted me to look back for my last haulage through Penmanshiel tunnel. It was apparently on 11 November 1978 behind Peak 45042, on a return Nottingham-Edinburgh Merrymaker excursion. My last with steam haulage was 15 years earlier on 11 April 1963, behind A1 60124 on a Waverley-York relief.

My last one was 26 August 1978 on the 05.50 KX-Edinburgh, so if anyone knows what was on that, I'd be grateful. I don't think it was a Deltic as there isn't one listed on Chronicles of Napier or anywhere else, and I didn't note it in my book (I usually wrote a H next to the locomotive in my spotting list, and details of the train, this time for some reason I wrote the train down and forgot the matching "H"!) Locomotives adjacent to it in the book are 47419, 47462, 47546, a couple of 46s (but the train was aircons so we can discard those) and some Deltics which did other trains that day. We came back from Scotland via the WCML and didn't head up there again until the next year - first trip on the new alignment was with 55012 on 1S27 in December 1979.

 

[Kirkoswald]

My last one was 26 August 1978 on the 05.50 KX-Edinburgh, so if anyone knows what was on that, I'd be grateful. I don't think it was a Deltic as there isn't one listed on Chronicles of Napier or anywhere else, and I didn't note it in my book (I usually wrote a H next to the locomotive in my spotting list, and details of the train, this time for some reason I wrote the train down and forgot the matching "H"!) Locomotives adjacent to it in the book are 47419, 47462, 47546, a couple of 46s (but the train was aircons so we can discard those) and some Deltics which did other trains that day. We came back from Scotland via the WCML and didn't head up there again until the next year - first trip on the new alignment was with 55012 on 1S27 in December 1979.

Not sure if it's any help but 47546 worked an am sevice to Edinburgh and 47419 was 08.04 KX - Hull. If your notebook has the order locos were seen it might help by elimination.

 

[Harvester]

Not sure if it's any help but 47546 worked an am sevice to Edinburgh and 47419 was 08.04 KX - Hull. If your notebook has the order locos were seen it might help by elimination.

According to the ‘RailGenArchive’ 47546 also worked the 17:10 Edinburgh to Newcastle on 26 August 1978. An early afternoon arrival at Waverley on the 05:50 ex Kings Cross gives a good fit for both workings!

 

[D1537]

Thanks for the help. I am guessing that it almost certainly has to be 47546 (which is the second to last one written down before the train - the last was 47419, but as mentioned above that appears to have gone to Hull).

 

[D1537]

Friday 23 September 1988

Freedom of Scotland Day 5 - well, back to England in time for Summer Saturday...

47636 1P02 Stirling-Edinburgh
47704 1O04 Edinburgh-Glasgow QS
47564 1M02 Glasgow C-Carlisle
47465 1E11 Carlisle-Leeds
47508 1V61 Leeds-Sheffield
47657 1E35 Sheffield-Newcastle
47608 1V29 Newcastle-B'ham NS

 

[Sultan1056]

Friday 23rd September 1977

40083 York-Stockport (2150 York-Shrewsbury)

Saturday 23rd September 1978

The Newcastle-Yarmouth and return producing disappointing but still required boilered class 37s. Later in the day 40015 was surprisingly turned out on the 1704 KX-Harrogate with a set of air-conditioned coaches.

37085 York-Doncaster (0835 Newcastle-Yarmouth)
47519 Doncaster-Leeds (0904 Kings Cross-Leeds)
40125 Leeds-York (0900 Llandudno-York)
47412 York-Selby (1413 York-Kings Cross)
37050 Selby-York (0940 Yarmouth-Newcastle)
46052 York-Leeds (1608 Newcastle-Liverpool LS)
47433 Leeds-Doncaster (1730 Bradford Exchange-Kings Cross)
40015 Doncaster-Leeds (1704 Kings Cross-Harrogate)
E51217/51230 Leeds-York (2020 Leeds-York)

Sunday 23rd September 1979

47442 York-Darlington (1040 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)
45044 Darlington-York (1435 Newcastle-Poole)
55014 York-Doncaster (1450 Newcastle-Doncaster)
55013 Doncaster-York (1405 Kings Cross-York)
46037 York-Leeds (1725 Newcastle-Liverpool LS)
47429 Leeds-York (1618 Liverpool LS-York)
47525 York-Leeds (1700 Edinburgh-Liverpool LS)
47088 Leeds-York (1910 Liverpool LS-York)

 

[D1537]

Thanks for the help. I am guessing that it almost certainly has to be 47546 (which is the second to last one written down before the train - the last was 47419, but as mentioned above that appears to have gone to Hull).

Did a bit of Googling. Eventually ...

78 324 260878 Berwick 47546

Seen on the Royal Border Bridge 47546 of Inverness is working the 05.50 Kings Cross to Aberdeen service on the 26th of August 1978.

www.flickr.com

So it was indeed 546.

 

[Sultan1056]

Saturday 24th September 1977

A spotting trip to Crewe Works Open Day with a fill in move to London.

86244 Stockport-Crewe (2150 York-Shrewsbury)
86015 Crewe-Euston (1850 Inverness-Euston)
EMU London Bridge-East Croydon (0712 London Bridge-Brighton)
EMU East Croydon-Clapham J (0628 Brighton-Victoria)
EMU Clapham J-Waterloo (0726 Shepperton-Waterloo)
86205 Euston-Crewe (0900 Euston-Carlisle)
81013 Crewe-Liverpool LS (1239 Birmingham NS-Liverpool LS)
46046 Liverpool LS-Manchester Vic (1510 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)
DMU Manchester Vic-Leeds via Halifax (1615 Manchester Vic-Leeds)
46050 Leeds-York (1710 Liverpool LS-Newcastle)

 

[AJM580]

Saturday 24 Sept 1988

156428 Norwich Peterborough (1M67 0640 Norwich - Birmingham NS)
47277 Peterborough - Norwich (1L82 0650 Manchester Picc - Great Yarmouth)
47307 Norwich - Great Yarmouth (1L82 0650 Manchester Picc - Great Yarmouth)
31449 Great Yarmouth - Brundall (1P57 1312 Great Yarmouth - Liverpool Street)
31444 Brundall - Great Yarmouth (1P50 1130 Liverpool Street - Great Yarmouth)
37075 Great Yarmouth - Norwich (1E94 1530 Great Yarmouth - Newcastle)
47455 Norwich - Peterborough (1E95 1552 Great Yarmouth - Leeds)
156405)
156406) Peterborough - Ipswich (1L73 1414 Blackpool/1616 Birmingham NS - Harwich PQ)
156414)
86229 Ipswich - Norwich (1P92 1930 Liverpool Street - Norwich)

 

[D1537]

Saturday 24 September 1988

47542 1E26 B'ham NS-Sheffield
47417 1E47 Sheffield-Nottingham
47277 1L82 Nottingham-Norwich
47307 1L82 Norwich-Yarmouth
47307 1M03 Yarmouth-Norwich
47277 1M03 Yarmouth-Loughborough
43114+43073 Loughborough-Leicester
150108 Leicester-B'ham NS
47603 1V98 B'ham NS-Coventry