Back in the day...

[xotGD]

@xotGD .....good one coming up tomorrow

For me too - a pair of 37s out of Keighley is the plan!

 

[Harpo]

Edit: see also post #679.

Which mentions
40185 Paddington - Brum 26/5/80

I was lucky enough to get the gen and did 40185 from Padd with a colleague. It came light from Hinksey with a Bescot driver and an Oxford pilot.

From Brum I headed off to North Wales but my moves book disappeared years ago.

I heard of a well known 40 basher who came to ‘view’ what was at Paddn that afternoon, assumed the whistling noise was a refurbed 50 and went to the Cross. Ooops.

 

[D1511]

Wed 20th June 1984
1C87 11.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47013 xb ED
1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 37119 xot GD

 

[Falcon1200]

From memory (!) I think I was on nights, and found out about it long after the event.

I was early shift at Reading Booking Office that day and 40158 happened to be on my train home. Which was nice.....
Next day was a trip to Ireland;

Monday 20th June 1983
47463 0238 Crewe-Holyhead. On arrival at Holyhead, I, and a few other passengers, intended to take the Summer-only additional early morning sailing to Dun Laoghaire, only to find that Sealink had postponed its introduction! So a way had to be found to pass the time until the next sailing (other than hang around in Holyhead);
47463 0612 Holyhead-Euston (to Llandudno Jc)
DMU Llandudno Jc-Holyhead
47342 1010 Holyhead-Euston (to Bangor)
47446 1115 Bangor-Scarborough (to Llandudno Jc)
47463 (again) 0805 Euston-Holyhead (from Llandudno Jc)

 

[D6130]

I was early shift at Reading Booking Office that day and 40158 happened to be on my train home. Which was nice.....
Next day was a trip to Ireland;

Monday 20th June 1983
47463 0238 Crewe-Holyhead. On arrival at Holyhead, I, and a few other passengers, intended to take the Summer-only additional early morning sailing to Dun Laoghaire, only to find that Sealink had postponed its introduction! So a way had to be found to pass the time until the next sailing (other than hang around in Holyhead);
47463 0612 Holyhead-Euston (to Llandudno Jc)
DMU Llandudno Jc-Holyhead
47342 1010 Holyhead-Euston (to Bangor)
47446 1115 Bangor-Scarborough (to Llandudno Jc)
47463 (again) 0805 Euston-Holyhead (from Llandudno Jc)

What about your CIÉ haulage later in the day?....or weren't there any?

 

[Falcon1200]

What about your CIÉ haulage later in the day?....or weren't there any?

There were! I also have many other Irish and European trips, which will appear at a future date. But to complete the day, these were the post-ship journeys on 20th June 1983;

189 1856 Bray-Dublin Connolly (from Dun Laoghaire)
078 2100 Dublin Heuston-Cork (to Kildare)
087 1845 Cork-Dublin Heuston (from Kildare)

 

[D1511]

Friday 22nd June 1984

1C81 09.40 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47595 xe ED Edinburgh - Carstairs
1O54 09.50 Glasgow C - Weymouth 85029 xe CE Carstairs - Carlisle
1S46 09.30 Liverpool LS - Glasgow C 85039 xe CE Carlisle - Carstairs
1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47237 xos CF Carstairs - Edinburgh
1O33 14.00 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47712 xeh HA Edinburgh - Glasgow QS
1P31 17.35 Glasgow QS - Perth 27025 xo ED Glasgow QS - Perth
1G18 16.30 Inverness - Edinburgh 47541 xe IS Perth - Edinburgh
1V58 23.15 Edinburgh - Paignton 26006 xos HA Edinburgh - Carstairs
1V58 23.15 Edinburgh - Paignton 85021 xe CE Carstairs - Carlisle

 

[D1537]

Monday 22 June 1987
47474 1M88 Coventry-Stockport
47299* 1M51 Stockport-Nottingham
47299 1M26 Nottingham-Manchester Victoria

As 299 had been turned round from the morning diagram (it was usually a new locomotive), it was now low on fuel.

47019 1M26 Manchester Victoria-Bolton
150217 2H?? Bolton-Manchester Victoria
87002 1A80 Manchester Piccadilly-Rugby

* required for new number, only previously had as 47216

 

[xotGD]

1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47237 xos CF

Just what you'd expect to find working in Scotland!

 

[D1511]

Just what you'd expect to find working in Scotland!

Even more ridiculous out-of-area duffs coming up on the loco hauled Edinburgh-Glasgows and Carstairs portions over the next few weeks on this thread........

 

[xotGD]

Even more ridiculous out-of-area duffs coming up on the loco hauled Edinburgh-Glasgows and Carstairs portions over the next few weeks on this thread........

See post 3327 above where I had "you" (I.e. 47412) on a Carstairs portion...

 

[D1511]

See post 3327 above where I had "you" (I.e. 47412) on a Carstairs portion..

I suspected you'd be disappointed at that......

Saturday 23rd June 1984

1S23 20.40 Bristol TM - Glasgow C 86256 xe WN Carlisle - Carstairs
1G08 04.47 Carstairs - Edinburgh 26006 xos HA Carstairs - Edinburgh
2O02 06.10 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47712 xeh HA Edinburgh - Glasgow QS
1M01 07.25 Glasgow C - Carlisle 26010 xo HA Glasgow C - Dumfries
1M21 08.30 Glasgow C - Blackpool N 27022 vb ED Dumfries - Carlisle
1S46 09.30 Liverpool LS - Glasgow C/Edinburgh 86316 xem WN Carlisle - Carstairs
1G53 13.03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47460 xb ED Carstairs - Edinburgh

 

[D1537]

Tuesday 23rd June 1987
I needed Stratford-on-Avon for a Class 47, and not only did this Parspec fit the bill, but it did both routes as well - bonus!

47466 1M88 Coventry - Birmingham NS
47534 1L00 B'ham NS - Stratford-on-Avon (Carlisle-Stratford Parspec, via Shirley)
47534 1L00 Stratford-on-Avon - Birmingham NS (Stratford-Carlisle Parspec, via Hatton)
47448 1O09 Birmingham NS-Coventry

Thursday 23rd June 1988
87015 1G49 Coventry-B'ham NS
47547 1O03 B'ham NS-Reading (via Solihull)

Why am I festering for a few hours on New Street in the small hours for the 0424 to Poole? Because 47276, one of my last few 47s, worked out of Paddington on a commuter train last night, so there's a chance it might be working again today in the peak this morning...

... it didn't. Right, plan B is a trip to the seaside and some more new track. 1Z26 was a Duddeston-Barry Island children's school excursion, imagine being allowed on one of those today...

47590 1M09 Reading-Coventry
86235 1M09 Coventry-Birmingham NS
304023 B'ham NS-Duddeston
47525 1Z26 Duddeston-Barry Island (via Chepstow) (new 47 track Radyr Branch Jc - Barry Island)
47525 1Z26 Barry Island-Birmingham NS (via Chepstow)
317326 2A02 Birmingham NS-Coventry

Got back to find 47276 had worked out of Paddington again in the evening.

 

[D1511]

Got back to find 47276 had worked out of Paddington again in the evening.

I hope it didn't evade you......

A quick check of my book shows I only had it the once, from Audley End to Liv St on 1C65 18.30 Kings Lynn - Liv St on 24th July 1983

 

[D1537]

I hope it didn't evade you......

A quick check of my book shows I only had it the once, from Audley End to Liv St on 1C65 18.30 Kings Lynn - Liv St on 24th July 1983

I had it not long after, in completely bizarre circumstances which I'll post here

 

[xotGD]

I had it not long after, in completely bizarre circumstances which I'll post here

I had it to get me home:

1st June 1982:

47009 Sunderland - Newcastle 1N04
40081 Newcastle - Carlisle 1M04
40081 Carlisle - Newcastle 1S15
46011 Newcastle - Durham 1M79
47276 Durham - Newcastle 1E74

 

[D1511]

I had it not long after, in completely bizarre circumstances which I'll post here

Nice teaser.....looking forward to hearing about it!

 

[EveningStar]

Saturday 22 June 1985
Liverpool Lime Street [depart on time]
85023p [1352 Liverpool Lime Street > Birmingham New Street, via Crewe Independent lines due to station remodelling engineering work]
Birmingham New Street [arrived 1551 against scheduled 1539]

As far as I can work out, this was my last ever class 85 haulage.

 

[D1511]

Sunday 24th June 1984

1A06 10.34 Edinburgh - Aberdeen 47049 xb HA Edinburgh - Dundee
(I was going to go to Aberdeen but there was an urgent need to get to Glasgow......)
1T28 10.50 Aberdeen - Glasgow QS 47404 XD GD Dundee - Glasgow QS
1M19 14.10 Glasgow C - London Euston 47373 xos HM Glasgow - Carlisle (via GSW) (disappointingly, not required, and also disappointingly, the yellow flashing light wasn't on!) (I was sure this was a Knottingley engine back in the day, but HM is the allocation written in my moves book and might explain it being out and about.....I'm not sure I ever had a KY loco for haulage except for random 56s on WCML drags)
1S57 09.45 London Euston - Glasgow Central 86256 xe WN Carlisle - Glasgow C
1O57 19.00 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh 47703 xe HA Glasgow QS - Edinburgh

47373 went to Carstairs, Dundee and Cardenden the following week!

 

[D1537]

1M19 14.10 Glasgow C - London Euston 47373 xos HM Glasgow - Carlisle (via GSW) (disappointingly, not required, and also disappointingly, the yellow flashing light wasn't on!) (I was sure this was a Knottingley engine back in the day, but HM is the allocation written in my moves book and might explain it being out and about.....I'm not sure I ever had a KY loco for haulage except for random 56s on WCML drags)

Knottingley lost its allocation of 47s in late 1981 as more 56s became available. Most if not all of them went to Healey Mills and Thornaby.

 

[AJM580]

23/06/1984

47426 Dawlish - Paignton (1C18 0836 Cradiff - Paignton)
50037 Paignton - Exeter (1A59 1256 Paignton - Paddington)
45069 Exeter - Plymouth (1V73 0911 Manchester Picc - Newquay)
43036) Plymouth - Exeter (1A53 1448 Penzance - Paddington)
43149)
50032 Exeter - Dawlish (2C22 1810 Exeter SD - Paignton)

23/06/1986
50019 Dawlish - Exeter SD (1A43 1105 Paignton - Paddington)
43140) Exeter SD - Plymouth (1010 Paddington - Plymouth)
43190)
B460 (51302/51317) Plymouth - Gunnislake (1400 Plymouth - Gunnislake)
B460 (51302/51317) Gunnislake - Plymouth (1455 Gunnislake - Plymouth)
50003 Plymouth - Newton Abbot (1C84 1412 Plymouth - Bristol TM)
50050 Newton Abbot - Dawlish Warren (2C47 1640 Paignton - Exeter SD)

 

[D1511]

Knottingley lost its allocation of 47s in late 1981 as more 56s became available. Most if not all of them went to Healey Mills and Thornaby.

Thanks for that.....I recall there being a consecutively numbered batch of them based there. We went to Knottingley as spotters in about 1980 on a Scottish Railfans tour, and because it was a Sunday, the entire depot allocation was on shed!
Do you know what specific MGR working (presumably around Pontefract somewhere) that required the flashing light to be fitted? I was surprised at the thrash needed to move a MGR train at 1/4 mph, either full or empty, so I assume it must have been in a noisy environment to warn that the train was actually moving slowly.

 

[D1537]

Thanks for that.....I recall there being a consecutively numbered batch of them based there. We went to Knottingley as spotters in about 1980 on a Scottish Railfans tour, and because it was a Sunday, the entire depot allocation was on shed!
Do you know what specific MGR working (presumably around Pontefract somewhere) that required the flashing light to be fitted? I was surprised at the thrash needed to move a MGR train at 1/4 mph, either full or empty, so I assume it must have been in a noisy environment to warn that the train was actually moving slowly.

47277 and 47373 were the two fitted with the flashing light around 1973/74. It was part of a trial for MGR trains to be driverless when unloading at power stations, the light flashed when the loco was being remote controlled using this system. Not sure if it was a particular location or working. Another system was trialled later on in the 80s, when two 56s were also so fitted (56073/074 IIRC).

The long-term KY 47s were 47277/296/301-304/308-310/319/371-375. A few others, such as 47179, were allocated there for short periods.

 

[D1511]

47277 and 47373 were the two fitted with the flashing light around 1973/74. It was part of a trial for MGR trains to be driverless when unloading at power stations, the light flashed when the loco was being remote controlled using this system. Not sure if it was a particular location or working. Another system was trialled later on in the 80s, when two 56s were also so fitted (56073/074 IIRC).

Top info, thanks very much. I love the knowledge on this forum! Much appreciated!
I actually own quite a number of remotely operated class 47s......all in N gauge!!

 

[Falcon1200]

It was part of a trial for MGR trains to be driverless when unloading at power stations

Was the intention that the Traincrew would have their PNB while their train was unloaded?

Friday 24th June 1983
47101 1705 Poole-Derby (Oxford-Birmingham New St)
86221 2030 Euston-Holyhead (Birmingham New St-Crewe)

En route to an exciting Summer Saturday tomorrow, minus 42 years....

 

[SuspectUsual]

Not sure if it was a particular location or working

I remember being told at the time it was trialled at Drax, but I've got nothing to evidence it and Mr Google isn't helping

 

[D1537]

I remember being told at the time it was trialled at Drax, but I've got nothing to evidence it and Mr Google isn't helping

That also rings a bell with me, but as you say t'Internet is not a massive help here. I dare say there would have been more information in the magazines of the time.

 

[D1511]

En route to an exciting Summer Saturday tomorrow, minus 42 years....

More teasers....! I was out quite a lot in the summer of 1983, and given our loco preferences, it will be interesting to see if we were ever on the same services! Or if one of us caught something that the other missed!
My two week ALR from 83 isn't until end of next month.....but Sat 6th August 1983 was a classic duff day for me.....probably my best ever......so there's a teaser right back!

 

[D1511]

And thanks for all the 277 and 373 gen all ....I couldn't find much on the internet about it either, and I obviously never saw the light working.

 

[D1511]

For me too - a pair of 37s out of Keighley is the plan!

How did you get on btw.......was there a derailed hoover in the way?

Monday 25th June 1984

1C91 13.10 Edinburgh - Carstairs 47595 xe ED Edinburgh - Haymarket
1G53 13..03 Carstairs - Edinburgh 47193 xos CD Haymarket - Edinburgh
1O36 14.00 Edinburgh - Glasgow QS 47711 xeh HA Edinburgh - Glasgow QS
1O55 18.30 Glasgow QS - Edinburgh 47711 xeh HA Glasgow QS - Edinburgh

Clearly a lot of crap was working out of QS and Central that evening and they were all rejected! I was obviously keen to get home, as I didn't even wait 30mins for a different 47/7!