blue livery with red/ white stripe?

[61653 HTAFC]

That was probably a less surprising example though.

NSE covered Cambridge and on the GEML to Manningtree.

The 47 was probably a Stratford based one which had worked - either a Liverpool St - Norwich express - some of which were probably still diesel hauled having as the GEML electrification to Norwich was about the same time as NSE launched - or it had worked a Cambridge - Liverpool St express, again at the time NSE launched neither route to London was electrified from Cambridge (the GE line wasn't wired north of Bishops Stortford and the GN wasn't wired north of Royston).

Just remembered seeing a Network Southeast 47 in Leeds in around 1994, a bit further into foreign territory than Norwich!

 

[sprinterguy]

what about on a 4VEP

Alright, that might break up the continuity of the livery a bit!
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Just remembered seeing a Network Southeast 47 in Leeds in around 1994, a bit further into foreign territory than Norwich!

By that point a number of ex-NSE 47s had become Crewe based Rail Express Systems locos, as a result of class 159s and Network Turbos being introduced to their former regular haunts, so became rather more widely travelled.

 

[jopsuk]

That was probably a less surprising example though.

NSE covered Cambridge and on the GEML to Manningtree.

The 47 was probably a Stratford based one which had worked - either a Liverpool St - Norwich express - some of which were probably still diesel hauled having as the GEML electrification to Norwich was about the same time as NSE launched - or it had worked a Cambridge - Liverpool St express, again at the time NSE launched neither route to London was electrified from Cambridge (the GE line wasn't wired north of Bishops Stortford and the GN wasn't wired north of Royston).

In an alternative universe, NSE took on the entire GEML and the east anglian branches (hardly out there, given Weymouth and Exeter) with the Norwich service getting a fleet of 30 or so "Class 342"....

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I'm actually surprised, reading up on their post-withdrawl history. Chris Green personally arranged for two of them to be stored at NSE locations- I wonder how close it actually came to giving one a special paint job?

Historic discussions published years ago in Deltic Deadline made mention that at one point BR did consider moving the 55s from the ECML upon their redundancy there to the Waterloo - Exeter route, but for a number of reasons ( including the start-stop nature of the route and the fact that nobody in that part of the country was familiar with them combined with the specialist mechanical knowledge required to look after them properly ) it never happened and they just went for scrap and the Exeter line eventually got 50s instead.

Had they moved, that would have been around 1979 / 1980 or thereabouts, so it is feasible that they would have lasted long enough to get the NSE treatment.

 

[321over360]

The NSE livery was a really nice livery actually for me and was a shame when it went in favour of corporate colour schemes, though SWT did have a corporate variant of the NSE livery initially until that was scrapped in favour of the Red (Metro) and White (Mainline) liveries. Maybe if Corbyn ever gets elected and renationalises the railways then maybe sectorisation will return and maybe NSE as it still does actually exist to some degree due to the Network Railcard

 

[AM9]

In an alternative universe, NSE took on the entire GEML and the east anglian branches (hardly out there, given Weymouth and Exeter) with the Norwich service getting a fleet of 30 or so "Class 342"....

ICMFP for spotting the disguised first thread reference to a 442 (other than the listing in post #3). Now it has been mentioned though, the 442s were one of the most attractive EMUs to bear the livery. With the cable recess covers fitted, they really looked the part and were often featured as the flagship trains of NSE.
There were two phases of the livery. At first, the 'sweep up' of the stripes at the cab ends of MUs were abrupt as a sharp 60 degree bend. A few years in, the sweep became a gentler curve.
See these images:
this is the original:
http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/01/67/96/1679672_7b6a372d.jpg
and this, the later version:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3897/14932186718_9176235984.jpg
A subtle change but it did look a little more professional and less a masking tape job.

 

[jopsuk]

That second photo there has a glimpse of the short-lived NSE precursor "Jaffa Cake" livery- from the period between the creation of the "London and South East" sector and the launch of the NSE brand.

Were the 442s the first class to get the later variant without the grey/ a lighter grey on the lower part? Some of the 319s used that version, as did all the Networkers (which had a thin band of white between the blue and red at the ends)

 

[AM9]

That second photo there has a glimpse of the short-lived NSE precursor "Jaffa Cake" livery- from the period between the creation of the "London and South East" sector and the launch of the NSE brand

Yup, it was the best of what went before NSE. I remember both 309s and 4-CEPs wearing it. The 309s also had the name 'Essex Express' painted on them, which some wag or graffiti merchant altered to read 'sex Express'. They may have been 'sexy' EMUs but not quite that much!

I'm sure that many older members here remember the 'network days', - that was travel all over the Network Card zone for £10!

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Had the NSE livery survived long enough, what colour would the passenger doors have been (for the DDA regs)?

 

[jopsuk]

Had the NSE livery survived long enough, what colour would the passenger doors have been (for the DDA regs)?

How about blue like the Waterloo and City version?. An alternative might have been to reverse the blue and white areas, leaving the red stripe.

 

[Helvellyn]

That second photo there has a glimpse of the short-lived NSE precursor "Jaffa Cake" livery - from the period between the creation of the "London and South East" sector and the launch of the NSE brand.

If I recall the London & South East sector planned three variations of the livery. "Jaffa cake" was the Express livery, as used on the 4-CEPs and 309s, as well as the earliest 421/7 units to be refurbished at Eastleigh. After the launch of NSE 4-CEPs kept being painted in "Jaffa Cake" for a short while, but the 4-CIGs quickly lost the livery.

The other two versions were to be for outer suburban and inner suburban services, one being blue based and the other green (I'm unsure which way round they were to be).

Were the 442s the first class to get the later variant without the grey/ a lighter grey on the lower part? Some of the 319s used that version, as did all the Networkers (which had a thin band of white between the blue and red at the ends)

Can't recall if it was the 321/3 or 442 units that first carried the later variant. It was also applied as you say the 319/1 units with First Class, the 159 units (South Western Turbo), 165/166 Turbo units and the Networker EMUs. Interestingly, the Class 456 units gained the earlier "more grey" livery like the 319/0 units, which suited their use on suburban services on the South Central alongside 455/8 units (that they worked in multiple with) and 319/0s.

If HSTs had been cascaded to the Waterloo-Exeter route (as was mooted at one point) it would have been interesting to see how NSE would have been applied to the power cars.

 

[sprinterguy]

If HSTs had been cascaded to the Waterloo-Exeter route (as was mooted at one point) it would have been interesting to see how NSE would have been applied to the power cars.

The chap who runs the Fictitious Liveries site has given it a go:
http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/photo.php?43201nse.jpg

Although I'm not sure how suitable light grey cab roofs would have been!
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Had the NSE livery survived long enough, what colour would the passenger doors have been (for the DDA regs)?

As I mention above, graduated blue and white as used by Chiltern would probably be suitable, given that Chiltern livery is a straightforward derivation of NSE livery.

Alternatively, what about light grey above the red stripe, as mocked up on an Electrostar by Paul Burkitt-Gray here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alternativerailways/4975023843

 

[33056]

Regarding 87012, it was also named "The Olympian":



Here is a picture of it still carrying the "Back the Bid London 2012" branding in July 2005, 10 days after the successful bid:



"Host City London 2012", complete with gold buffers