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Boundary Zone tickets - Zone 6 to Reading

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Jordy

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Hi,

I'm a bit stumped by this one, want to travel from Richmond to Reading then back to Paddington (day return, off peak). However, I would already have a zone 1-6 travelcard.

I thought i'd just be able to get a Boundary Zone 6 to Reading ticket and use that in combination with the travelcard, however it turns out that there is no 'any permitted' boundary tickets, the 2 which are available are route 'Ascot' and route 'Slough', so this wouldn't be any use.

Anyone got any ideas or alternatives?

Cheers

Jordy
 
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Just do what the Routeing Guide suggests for these circumstances and ask to go out one way and back the other way.

You should, if you ask to do this, be offered the cheaper route Ascot and then be given an excess for route Slough. They should do this excess without you even having to ask for an excess, but of course the training given to ticket office staff is poor so you will probably need to ask them to do this for you.

If the first ticket office does not issue the excess, then just get the excess later. As far as I can determine, you can even pay the difference on the train (you cannot be penalised for getting a route excess on board according to RPIs who have posted on here).
 

hairyhandedfool

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Just do what the Routeing Guide suggests for these circumstances and ask to go out one way and back the other way.

You should, if you ask to do this, be offered the cheaper route Ascot and then be given an excess for route Slough. They should do this excess without you even having to ask for an excess, but of course the training given to ticket office staff is poor so you will probably need to ask them to do this for you.....

Chances are that if they don't offer it they know about it but don't know how to do it. Although the machines used now are far better for this sort of excess than the APTIS was, it does need people to know how to do it.
 

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You should, if you ask to do this, be offered the cheaper route Ascot and then be given an excess for route Slough.

This is an odd one. The CDR for Boundary 6 - Reading route Ascot is actually more expensive than the route Slough version whereas with the SDR the Ascot alternative is the cheaper :? how that quite works I dunno.
(SDSs are roughly the same, but the Slough CDS is cheaper).

List of fares obtained from NRE (using last zone 6 station as opposed to Boundary Zone 6 which it does not recognise - Avantix 95 would have it, though, that these fares are pretty much the same):

Feltham - Reading (equivalent to BZ6-RDG via Ascot)
SDS: £9.70
SDR: £10.10
CDS: £9.60
CDR: £9.70

West Drayton - Reading (equivalent to BZ6-RDG via Slough)
SDS: £9.90
SDR: £15.80
CDS: £8.60
CDR: £8.70

The routeing guide is rather sketchy as to what to do in this situation.

NRG said:
Where a journey is undertaken by an alternative route to that for which the ticket was originally purchased, and for which a higher fare applies, additional payment is required to enable the customer to make or complete their revised travel arrangements.

NRG said:
DUAL ROUTE AVAILABILITY

Where two or more permitted routes are available for a specific journey, customers may wish to travel out by one route and return by another. If a higher fare applies for the return leg of the journey the customer should be issued with a ticket for the more direct route and an excess fare issued to cover the difference in fare for the return routeing. This option should be made available to customers who wish to pre-book a dual routed ticket prior to travel.

The alternative journey MUST relate to the same routeing points for the origin and destination stations.

Let's assume then that Boundary Zone 6 is an invisible routeing point (the NRG neither proves nor disproves this) so that we can use the 'Dual route availability' advice given.

Only problem is (assuming a CDR is required) is that the OUTWARD leg is the more expensive - here the routeing guide offers no advice whatsoever, so would it be fair (probably not but more naive) to assume that if the higher priced return is issued it is valid for both routes?

Of course, you could easily avoid this problem by getting the SDR (explicitly asking for it) and having it excessed for the return as yorkie has said already.

Failing that (at a cost of being twice as expensive), you could get the Feltham to Reading and the Reading to West Drayton singles (although for the latter that would restrict the services you could use back to those stopping at West Drayton - not a problem outward as all SWT Reading services will call at Feltham IIRC).
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Thinking about this a bit more, say a route Ascot CDR was held and a fast FGW to Paddington was taken back.

A guard comes up and checks the ticket and says 'this isn't valid on this route' so then Jordy asks them to excess it for him. They tap away on their machine and then a sheer look of horror appears on their face. Jordy asks what the matter is and they say 'this route is actually cheaper - I can't excess it' ...

At which point Jordy should say he wants some money back then :razz:
 

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Apologies - I had assumed route Ascot was cheaper!

Solutions:

1) Ask for the cheaper fare and get the outward excessed. Yes, I know you are only officially meant to get returns excessed for a change of route but the reality is most people who do excesses don't appear to be aware of that ;)
2) or do the trip in reverse!
3) or as already suggested just use the more expensive ticket as it is valid via the cheaper route (although, again as already mentioned, guards may query it, but if they do then so be it and they will realise it is valid if they look it up)
 

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If you purchase the more expensive ticket and travel on a route which is cheaper the excess would be £0 to use it, but you could, in theory, be issued an excess for the outward journey, and I can see no reason why it could not be done legitimately.

Off peak, the difference in day returns from boundary zone 6 is just £1 or 50p each way (Ascot is £9.70, Slough is £8.70) before any railcards or discounts apply.

If you get a station specific extension you would be expected to join a train that stops at those places, unless your travelcard is a season ticket.

If public fares information systems do not show these fares it is because boundary zone 6 is not a station you can travel from (no matter how flawed that logic is).
 

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Used to travel regularly from Ealing Eby to Blackwater via Reading so here's a few more cans of worms!

Used to buy a Boundary Zone 4 to Blackwater via Reading CDR. In those days there were no routes, so used to travel via Reading except the direct ticket to Reading was more expensive than the one to Blackwater.

If still no routes, one could use the Out Z6 -BAW as far as Wokingham, then the Rtn portion from Wokingham to Reading and on to Paddington! This should be cheaper than a ticket to Reading.

Travel via Windsor...
Have both the Out & rtn portions Route Slough

Catch the bus
The 65 bus goes from from Rich- EBY in about 25 mins. Already paid for in the travelcard. Then at EBY, A simple Route Slough CDR Z6 - RDG or BAW !!

BTW, BAW has the same prices as Farnborough Stns so Reading to Farnborough is valid via Basingstoke!!...and Z6 to BAW valid via Woking/Guildford and Farnborough (walkng between stns!)

Used to do this for about 5 years, never questioned as its too complicated.
 

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If public fares information systems do not show these fares it is because boundary zone 6 is not a station you can travel from (no matter how flawed that logic is).

But the 'Boundary Zone x' fares are the only part of the current National Fares Manual that we have found on the web in the tabular form we used to be able to read in the printed books:
http://www.atoctravelagents.org/clientfiles/File/Rail Directory/NFM99/NFM99 K3.pdf

It's the list of fares between stations in this helpful form that we are missing!

John
 

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But the 'Boundary Zone x' fares are the only part of the current National Fares Manual that we have found on the web in the tabular form we used to be able to read in the printed books:
http://www.atoctravelagents.org/clientfiles/File/Rail Directory/NFM99/NFM99 K3.pdf

It's the list of fares between stations in this helpful form that we are missing!

John

I did say specifical "public fares information systems" meaning websites which sell tickets, the National rail website etc, etc, which joe public knows about and would be expected to use to find fares information, not a seperate website which has content from the NFM but is not known by joe public, although if anyone can point out any of these public fares websites which have this information, I will stand corrected.
 
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