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This is a very niche question:

Most people who collect railway ephemera of the nationalisation era will be aware that nearly all printed items of that time have a code that contains the letters BR and a number. Sometimes this is had a suffix letter or a slash followed by another number. Examples range from BR 29944 which are the "General Appendix to working timetables (Eastern Region South) to a label such as: BR21703 Eggs with care.

Was there a system behind this numbering and also does anyone know of a source that lists these codes - either in part or full?
 
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BR Stationary Supplies number - a lot were just progessive numbers issued on a "next one" basis, with sub divisions for similar items. The Clerk at any depot or station who did the periodic stationary order to the BR Stationary Stores at Wistaston Road, Crewe was the person to get on the right side of and in the bigger offices he would have some kind of catalogue. The stationary used to arrive in wicker hampers and this event was always eagerly awaited by the clerks.

As an example of numbers used, most BR clerks would have a BR 3/6 memo pad for writing letters, a BR 5/3 pad for jotting down telephone messages or a BR 20145 multi use pad on which you ticked a box to send simple messages such as "please reply to my letter of". 12 inch rulers were BR 1480/2 and at one time litter baskets were BR 6/1, hence the old instruction to "file it in 6/1"!

For years the one thing you couldn't get was Tipp-Ex. BR had glass jars of "white-out" which came with a brush down the middle - horrible stuff. When I was at the Divisional Office at KX in the 1970's you were supposed to use "white-out" but we used to go a few doors down the road to a stationers, get some Tipp-Ex (and in those days Tipp-Ex thinner - there was some serious sniff with that stuff - whoa!) and he would ring it up as batteries, which our stationary stores didn't stock and, on producing the receipt, we would get petty cash for!
 

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Thanks to Clarence Yard for that superbly evocative post.:)

There were certainly some Regional specialities. The Southern had its own forms for TOPS data integrity checks (X3?) for example. There was a 'stat-file' section that produced station departure posters, which had their own numbers, obviously being produced in fairly small quantities.

Even as quite a nerdy individual in my early career who made a point of getting to know 'back room' staff (who could often save ones bacon in many administrative crises) I never cracked the Stationery Stores (despite wangling to share a canteen with some their staff during a month working at Crewe).
 

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I had a brief period - probably only a week or two - dealing with stores, a job that seemed to get dumped on anyone who was green carded. This was in the early days of computerisation of order sheets, or maybe they had just changed practices, and I had to be very careful to write my numbers (particularly the sevens) in exactly the right way. I also had to deal with the problem of a predecessor doing the old chestnut of not realising he was ordering boxes of files, not an individual number of them.

I seemed to spend most of my time trying to get hold of rubbish bins with stubbing plates, something that the Area Manager had set his heart on. They didn’t have a number as they were the latest thing then and not yet standard issue, although they may have been under evaluation. I spent a great deal of time trying to get a stock number for something that didn’t have one.
 

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An anecdote from my late father, who at the time had a middle management position on the Western Region. He had been told by his boss that he could now order a briefcase (being required to travel with official papers, I presume). The catalogue was duly interrogated and an order slip completed, duly signed by the boss. Nothing then heard of for about 5 months, then on returning to the office after one lunchtime there was one box of some kind of specialist industrial staples on his desk. The clerk that dealt with the ordering in his office duly made some enquires to the central stores, and there was profuse apologies for the delay in obtaining the ordered item. Apparently there had been none in stock and it had been thought that the type of machine requiring this staple was obsolete. No matter, the staples had been specially manufactured and a buffer stock of 20 cartons, containing 100 boxes of staples each, had been established.
Further investigation had found a number transposed...... .
 
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I have somewhere at home some carbon paper with BR catalogue number. Also a metal sleeve thing to get the last possible use out of pencil stubs with the BR number stamped on. Everything on the railway needs a number!
 

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Here's a B.R. tear off notepad for you. (B.R. 25618/8)
 

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OK lincolnshire, what is it?
Sealing Wax, when the booking office at Brigg station closed down there was about 10 packets of sealing wax just like the above, what it was used for I don,t Know but they was well stocked up just in case. Another item at this location was the rubber finger caps for counting the money, pity there wasn,t loads of money to count. The station started its downhill slide un-manned no booking office and then the buildings demolished and since 1993 it has only had a Saturdays only service of 3 trains.
 

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Late 70s and it was my turn to unload the wicker basket from Crewe and check the contents against the Chief Clerk's order.

All was okay until it came to the memo pads. We had ordered x number of pads but whoever completed the order at Crewe had translated that into the number of sheets of paper. Consequently, the number of pads received was only a fraction of what we'd requested.
 

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I found this at Crewe in 1982, "To run between Crewe Station and Crewe Stationery Stores", a van with the unusual departmental prefix of XDB, X denoting "stores" I think:
Stationery Stores van Crewe 1982.jpg
 

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I've got a BR room temperature thermometer somewhere. I'll have a look to see if it has a code on it.

Sealing wax - maybe for placing on parcels (or internal sealed packages / envelopes with confidential info in them) as it is a good way to to easily see if packaging has been tampered with as you have to break the wax to open things.
 

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I found this at Crewe in 1982, "To run between Crewe Station and Crewe Stationery Stores", a van with the unusual departmental prefix of XDB...
Great photo! How far distant were the stationery stores from the main station at Crewe (such that a dedicated goods wagon might be required?)
 

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I have a copy of the last BR "Former Western Region" Weekly Operating Notice before it went over to Railtrack. It has the reference "BR 31400" in the top right hand corner. See image below (click on it to see it the correct way up):
 

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Great photo! How far distant were the stationery stores from the main station at Crewe (such that a dedicated goods wagon might be required?)
It's about a mile, although I didn't know that they despatched stuff by rail. The building is still there, now a business centre.

 

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It's about a mile, although I didn't know that they despatched stuff by rail. The building is still there, now a business centre.


It looks like it was where the LNWR/LMS clothing factory had been.
 

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It's about a mile, although I didn't know that they despatched stuff by rail. The building is still there, now a business centre.

I vaguely remember that the thing about the van(s) was that it/they were loaded at a special dock that was higher than standard such that the wheeled/castored hampers could be loaded easily. The height meant that standard vans with swing doors couldn't be used. The van illustrated has a sliding door.

The hampers would be shuttled in bulk to Crewe Station and then transferred (presumably by burly porters) onto barrows for movement to the brake vans of trains heading all across the network. The TOPS system was configured to have the vans in a special 'pool'.
 

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I found this at Crewe in 1982, "To run between Crewe Station and Crewe Stationery Stores", a van with the unusual departmental prefix of XDB, X denoting "stores" I think:
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Nice and interesting pic - that van hasn't seen the paint shop for a fair while! An opportunity missed for the stores section to have had their own livery.
I guess not stationary for long enough to get a repaint.....
 

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In the 1980's BR Southern Region had a stationery store in the cellar at Waterloo station to supply the planning offices above. Probably got their supplies from Crewe.
All sorts of obscure items had a BR stationery code number.
Things like the ribbons for a Datasouth DS220 TOPS printer.
 

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I have a copy of the last BR "Former Western Region" Weekly Operating Notice before it went over to Railtrack. It has the reference "BR 31400" in the top right hand corner. See image below (click on it to see it the correct way up):

However, it was always known as the "K2", as indeed you have labelled your photo. For operating over other regions' lines, by Western Region traincrew, another publication existed - known as the "K2F"; anyone know the BR number for that?

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Didn't the traditional orange tickets also have a BR number on them; and indeed on the NCR-type tickets too, before APTIS was invented? I think the number became known as the RSP (Rail Settlement Plan) number after privatisation, but was still pre-printed on the blank ticket stock. Naturally all the different types of blank ticket stock had a different number to identify them for stock ordering purposes e.g. season tickets; different sorts of railcard stock; excess fares; replacement or duplicate seasons; seat reservations; rovers & rangers etc. etc.
 
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When I started this thread I did not realise what an unwritten history there was behind the simple stationary number.

Didn't the traditional orange tickets also have a BR number on them; and indeed on the NCR-type tickets too, before APTIS was invented?
I have a number of the Aptis credit card size tickets in my collection and all seem to have the BR number 4599 with a number following the slash such as /21 - Annual Season Ticket Holders railcard, /55 London Travelcard , /52 Capital card, The older Capitalcard was 3588/2.

The preceding white / white tickers seem to have been 4563/nn
 

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I've got a BR room temperature thermometer somewhere. I'll have a look to see if it has a code on it.
Is yours like this? Mine doesn't have a code on it.

I do however have a BR telephone in use as my landline, only code I can find on it is BR 13363/11; not sure if this refers to the paper which shows the line number or the telephone itself. Sadly nobody ever calls us on it since we bought a mobile phone for the only family member that doesn't have one a few months ago :(
 

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Is yours like this? Mine doesn't have a code on it.

I do however have a BR telephone in use as my landline, only code I can find on it is BR 13363/11; not sure if this refers to the paper which shows the line number or the telephone itself. Sadly nobody ever calls us on it since we bought a mobile phone for the only family member that doesn't have one a few months ago :(
Not as yet located it but yes, thermometer that shape, but I think darker stained wood and pretty sure it says LMR on it or BR(LMR).
 

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Is yours like this? Mine doesn't have a code on it.

I do however have a BR telephone in use as my landline, only code I can find on it is BR 13363/11; not sure if this refers to the paper which shows the line number or the telephone itself. Sadly nobody ever calls us on it since we bought a mobile phone for the only family member that doesn't have one a few months ago :(
That phone takes me back - we got those in about 1988 to replace the old style black dial phones.
 

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I have a similar 'phone - left behind in Western Tower, Reading. It does however have a BT number in the 9000 series (possibly 9504), from the "Statesman" range but with the BR logo.

WAO
 

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I have a similar 'phone - left behind in Western Tower, Reading. It does however have a BT number in the 9000 series (possibly 9504), from the "Statesman" range but with the BR logo.

WAO

I see the phone shown in the picture had an "078" number on it - if I'm remembering correctly, I'm sure 078 was the area code for Reading on the B.R. internal phone system.
 

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I see the phone shown in the picture had an "078" number on it - if I'm remembering correctly, I'm sure 078 was the area code for Reading on the B.R. internal phone system.
Probably right - I've blocked off some of the digits to protect the innocence of where I got it from!
 

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Yes! mine reads " 078 - 2432" It's an 11 key model, 0-9, R.

Hands up if it came from your desk!

The number embossed on the back is 9504 035 56500 - most likely a BR number as it is the same colour as the white BR logo on the front.

It was obtained legally.

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