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For routes 18, 24/26 & 25 afaik also for work during high wind days on longer routes such as coasters, regencys & Breezers
Seems absurd that the 24, 25 and 26 are being subjected to the use of single deckers when they're so busy! Particularly the 24/26 routes which are by London standards 'low frequency' so if a bus leaves someone behind it is a long wait for the next one.

The 18 makes sense and even potentially the 50. But not the Lewes Road routes?
 
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For routes 18, 24/26 & 25 afaik also for work during high wind days on longer routes such as coasters, regencys & Breezers
I suspect they won't stray far from the 18. Especially as there is currently a Gemini and a streetdeck operating said service.
 

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The only thing other than the 18 that was quiet enough to need a single decker was the C1/C2/C3/C4 and they all got withdrawn almost a year ago. Maybe also the 77/78/79 which seem to be quiet enough for a single decker. So perhaps they will see some use on the 77/78/79 at some point. Everything else that B&H runs gets very busy. In my opinion bendy buses are needed for some routes such as the Lewes Road ones. They were perfect for the 25 and worked a lot better than double deckers.
 

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The only thing other than the 18 that was quiet enough to need a single decker was the C1/C2/C3/C4 and they all got withdrawn almost a year ago. Maybe also the 77/78/79 which seem to be quiet enough for a single decker. So perhaps they will see some use on the 77/78/79 at some point. Everything else that B&H runs gets very busy. In my opinion bendy buses are needed for some routes such as the Lewes Road ones. They were perfect for the 25 and worked a lot better than double deckers.
Does any manufacturer currently offer Left Hand Drive artics?
 

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I can't see B&H wanting new artics. The 25 isn't as busy these days and copes with double decks. This seems to be due to the combination of lower student numbers and more on line lectures, plus new student accommodation on Lewes Road around Brighton University and on the University of Sussex campus. The 77/78/79 will likely stay double deck for the foreseeable, passengers like the views over the Downs and there are two Streetdecks in a special livery.
 

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Does any manufacturer currently offer Left Hand Drive artics?
Do you mean Right Hand Drive? (i.e. steering wheel on the right, driving on the left hand side of the road)

There may be some in Australia or Japan?
 
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The last metrobus Omnidekka is withdrawn now according to bustimes.org, though I don't know if it was falsely declared withdrawn like last time

 

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I can't see B&H wanting new artics. The 25 isn't as busy these days and copes with double decks. This seems to be due to the combination of lower student numbers and more on line lectures, plus new student accommodation on Lewes Road around Brighton University and on the University of Sussex campus. The 77/78/79 will likely stay double deck for the foreseeable, passengers like the views over the Downs and there are two Streetdecks in a special livery.
The bendis were really sent to Brighton as a convenient way of offloading them from London. I doubt they'd want to buy new ones and, as you say, the rationale for them has now changed.
 

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I actually wonder if the Single deckers will be for the Mill Road Brighton & Hove Albion park and ride
 

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I think it's a bit late but does anyone know what happened to B5LHs 440, 441 and 450?
It says it has been sold off to East Yorkshire in the official Brighton & Hove Buses website but I'm not sure because I have heard that 450 is now used for spare parts for Go north west?
 

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I think it's a bit late but does anyone know what happened to B5LHs 440, 441 and 450?
It says it has been sold off to East Yorkshire in the official Brighton & Hove Buses website but I'm not sure because I have heard that 450 is now used for spare parts for Go north west?
All have gone for spare parts
 

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13 new Electrics for B&H. Not sure what for though.
It says Brighton & Hove City Council rather than Brighton & Hove Bus Company so there is a small chance they might be for Stagecoach or another operator. I know Brighton & Hove Bus Company is most likely but it does not seem confirmed yet. Also it mentions twelve new buses for Surrey County Council too. Potentially these could be another twelve Hydrogen buses for Metrobus to use. Again it is not confirmed but Metrobus seems a likely option.
 

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It says Brighton & Hove City Council rather than Brighton & Hove Bus Company so there is a small chance they might be for Stagecoach or another operator. I know Brighton & Hove Bus Company is most likely but it does not seem confirmed yet. Also it mentions twelve new buses for Surrey County Council too. Potentially these could be another twelve Hydrogen buses for Metrobus to use. Again it is not confirmed but Metrobus seems a likely option.
I've been trying to work this out - I wonder if they might be for the 2 (which uses 11 buses or thereabouts)?
The press release from the dft specifically has Brighton and Hove mentioned from Go Ahead.

And the 2 is the only one that logically matches the numbers but guess we will wait and see for what they say!
 

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13 new Electrics for B&H. Not sure what for though.
According to the bid it's for route 7

It says Brighton & Hove City Council rather than Brighton & Hove Bus Company so there is a small chance they might be for Stagecoach or another operator. I know Brighton & Hove Bus Company is most likely but it does not seem confirmed yet. Also it mentions twelve new buses for Surrey County Council too. Potentially these could be another twelve Hydrogen buses for Metrobus to use. Again it is not confirmed but Metrobus seems a likely option.
Assuming I have the right documents; West Sussex and Surrey put in a joint bid for various Metrobus routes operated from Crawley for Hydrogen buses. Routes 21, 22, 23, 61, 200, 270, 271, 272, 273, 281, 291 and 400 - 43 buses according to the bid

Link (West Sussex council paper): https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/media/20277/zebra2_app.pdf
 

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According to the bid it's for route 7


Assuming I have the right documents; West Sussex and Surrey put in a joint bid for various Metrobus routes operated from Crawley for Hydrogen buses. Routes 21, 22, 23, 61, 200, 270, 271, 272, 273, 281, 291 and 400 - 43 buses according to the bid

Link (West Sussex council paper): https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/media/20277/zebra2_app.pdf
These are the original ZEBRA 2 awards (both B&H and Metrobus). These are additional to that.
 

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The new buses are for the 5 & 6.

Direct quote from the City Council's newsroom:
Last March, a partnership between the council and Brighton & Hove Buses was awarded £2.9 million from the DfT to support a £10.5 million project for 16 new electric buses and the charging infrastructure to support them.

These are due be introduced in spring 2026 along route 7, an essential service that operates up to every 6-8 minutes and in some of the city’s highest emission areas.

We have now been awarded an additional £2.3 million funding from the same scheme to introduce a further 13 electric buses.

The additional funding looks set to fully cover the cost of:

  • 8 double-decker vehicles for route 6, so the current service of 6 buses every 16 minutes can increase to every 12 minutes.
  • 5 double-decker vehicles for routes 5, 5A & 5B partially converted to electric buses.
The 13 extra buses for routes 5 and 6 are expected to be operational by September 2026.

I hadn't realised the first batch wouldn't be on the road until next year. Returning the 6 to every 12 minutes is noteworthy.
 

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The 7 currently needs 16 buses to run the all day services (full run out between 07:54 and 19:08), so no spares? And one of those current duties starts at 05:10 and finishes at 01:19, I hope the charge will last that long.

There'll also be no spares for the 6 as well. If my maths are correct then the PVR would up to 8. The current PVR for the 5,5A and 5B is about 30 or 31 btw.
 
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Partially converting the 5/5A seems an odd one, but what do I know!
There are at least 3 boards on the 5 that tend to be a Gemini/Streetdeck on a daily basis, because of schools traffic, and the PVR So it would allow them to be removed in theory.
 

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Yep I agree but I guess that buying 30+ electrics plus charging etc in one go may be a bit too much?
Also partly that there 5/5B already has extended range zero emission buses from the Steine to Palmeria, so already has a significant advantage. Removing the diesel boards off the 5 then potentially allows older buses from elsewhere to be replaced as well.
 

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Partially converting the 5/5A seems an odd one, but what do I know!
5/5A/5B currently takes approx 30 diagrams, with the 30 E400ER not factoring in for any out for maintenance, at the moment 302 hasn't been out since the 4th of April & 308 since the 12th. This means other non hybrid vehicles are needed on the routes currently (usually approx 5)
 

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Has the repainting at B&H stopped, there's been none as far as I can tell since the last Streetdeck.

Having said that, most of the e400ers now have the new brand logo on.
 

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Has the repainting at B&H stopped, there's been none as far as I can tell since the last Streetdeck.

Having said that, most of the e400ers now have the new brand logo on.
Seems like they've given up repainting 435/436/437 with the expected arrival of more ADL E400MMC for regency routes
 

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