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Bus crashes in to a river in the Eastleigh area (26/06)

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I have just seen the BBC are reporting a bus crashing in to a river somewhere in the Eastleigh area:



Bus carrying college students crashes into river

A double-decker bus carrying 19 college students has crashed into a river, leaving 17 people injured.

The 607 for Barton Peveril Sixth Form College left the carriageway and plunged into the water off Bishopstoke Road in Eastleigh, Hampshire.

Three people are being treated as "high priority" and were taken to hospital, South Central Ambulance Service said.

Around 14 people with less serious injuries are being treated on scene, it added.

Speaking near the cordon, a parent whose daughter was on the bus, said her daughter called her crying and told her the bus had crashed into a river.

She admitted she had not seen her daughter but that she was "a bit banged up, shocked", having suffered cuts and bruises.

Another parent told the BBC: "I'm nervous, I felt panicked, I rushed straight here as quick as I could but I couldn't get to my daughter. I'm panicking until I get to see her," she added.

Dr David Pogson, a parent at the incident centre, said: "I got a message on the family chat at work about the accident, which sounded quite serious.

"Thankfully it doesn't sound that he is seriously hurt, his friends are all fine.

"I have seen some ambulances going away though and I understand some children have been injured."

Kelly West, was working from home close to the crash and rushed down to help those on the bus.

She said she looked out the window when she heard a screeching sound and saw the bus "come careering into the river".

"We ran outside, we ran around the front of the bus, spoke to the driver," she said.

Ms West said the driver told her that the "brakes were not working" and the accelerator "jammed" and he was "doing the best he could to avoid cars as he was coming down the road".

She explained that she helped the "shocked" students who could leave the bus to get out of the water and into her garden nearby.

The B3037 has been closed in both directions and traffic is queueing between Chickenhall Lane to Riverside.

Officers added: "It is anticipated the road may be closed for up to 12 hours for investigation and recovery work."

The 607 bus route runs from Knowle, through Wickham, Shedfield, Swanmore and Bishops Waltham to Barton Peveril College in Eastleigh

Hampshire Constabulary said an incident centre has been set up at The Hub at Bishopstoke for concerned parents. An officer and college staff will be available to provide updates and address questions.

The college said "staff are working closely with the police to ensure the safety and well-being of all students".

"We ask that people do not attend the actual scene," it added.

Hampshire and Isle of Wight Fire and Rescue Service is at the scene and also asked people to avoid the area.

Richard Tyldsley, Bluestar general manager confirmed it was one of their buses.

He said: "Reports suggest the bus left the highway and came to rest in a shallow river.

"There were 19 passengers on-board at the time."

He added that the bus driver is one of those who was injured and said: "Our thoughts are with everybody involved, and we wish those who were injured a full and speedy recovery."

Eastleigh MP Liz Jarvis has been giving her reaction to the crash.

Speaking on BBC Radio Solent, she said she was "very very shocked" and worried about the students who were involved. I understand their parents have all been contacted

"My thoughts are with those who were injured and the emergency services who were on the scene who have done a fantastic job and responded really quickly.

"When something like this happens it's about the community coming together. I know the college is doing everything they can to support the students and their parents."

So far fourteen people injured are reported. It is not clear what operator or route it is. I am guessing either a Go Ahead bus or a Stagecoach bus.
 
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Bluestar have issued a statement, as reported on the Daily Echo
Richard Tyldsley, Bluestar general manager said: “One of our buses, carrying students to Barton Peveril College, was involved in an incident earlier this morning in Bishopstoke Road, Eastleigh. Reports suggest the bus left the highway and came to rest in a shallow river.

“There were 19 passengers on-board at the time. Our driver and at least two of the passengers have confirmed injuries, and we are awaiting further updates on the status of others on-board.

“We do not currently have full details of their injuries and are following their progress closely.

“Our thoughts are with everybody involved, and we wish those who were injured a full and speedy recovery.

“At this time, we do not know the circumstances behind this incident and are carrying out an immediate investigation. We are also assisting the police as they carry out their own enquiries.”
 

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It is now being reported on that BBC live article that the accelerator was jammed.

Resident says bus driver told her 'accelerator jammed'

Kelly West was working from home close to the crash and rushed down to help.

She said she looked out the window when she heard screeching and saw the bus "come careering into the river".

"We ran outside, we ran around the front of the bus, spoke to the driver," she said.

The driver told her that the "brakes were not working" and "the accelerator jammed" and he was "doing the best he could to avoid cars as he was coming down the road".

She helped the "shocked" students that could get off the bus out of the water and into her garden nearby.

That makes sense as the bus took out some traffic lights quite far down the road well away from the crash scene. So it appears that it was going at speed for quite a distance. That is worrying as it is the first time i have ever heard of a jammed accelerator.
 

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Think it'll be more likely pedal confusion...
All the way from some traffic lights as stadler said?

That makes sense as the bus took out some traffic lights quite far down the road well away from the crash scene. So it appears that it was going at speed for quite a distance. That is worrying as it is the first time i have ever heard of a jammed accelerator.
 

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A quick and dirty measurement on Google maps puts the traffic lights as almost 700m down the road. If the jammed accelerator report has any merit, then it's a miracle (or rather, most likely driver skill) that a worse accident didn't occur
 

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Think it'll be more likely pedal confusion...
I highly doubt it was pedal confusion. The traffic lights it took out are on Fair Oak Road where it meets Underwood Road. The actual crash scene bridge is on Fair Oak Road halfway between Guest Road and Scotter Road. That is about a sixty to ninety second drive at normal speed or an eight to nine minute walk. Plus we do not know where the issue started. It could have been even earlier than the traffic lights. It is very unlikely that the driver confused the pedals for all that distance and never realised their error. It sounds to me like an actual serious problem with the vehicle.
 

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Either way, I think it’s reasonable to suggest that the vehicle has run its last journey. Photo below from The Guardian via AOL:

Image shows a close-up view of the badly damaged bus in situ in a ditch, upright but with obvious substantial front end damage.
 

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A video has been posted taken by someone who was onboard.

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The person mentions the bus had just had a major crash and was now speeding off. So they are obviously referring to it crashing in to the traffic lights and then continuing on. So it seems everyone onboard knew something was wrong.
 

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A video has been posted taken by someone who was onboard.

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The person mentions the bus had just had a major crash and was now speeding off. So they are obviously referring to it crashing in to the traffic lights and then continuing on. So it seems everyone onboard knew something was wrong.
Without knowing the terrain involved, it could well have been a medical incident...


Video appears to be taken from a rear mounted camera on a car showing the bus swerving then disappearing off through a fence to the ditch...
 

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Without knowing the terrain involved, it could well have been a medical incident...
That is often a possibility for these types of crashes. But it was reported in the BBC that the driver had mentioned to someone at the scene that the accelerator was stuck and he could not work the brakes. So it does not sound like a medical incident to me.
 

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That is often a possibility for these types of crashes. But it was reported in the BBC that the driver had mentioned to someone at the scene that the accelerator was stuck and he could not work the brakes. So it does not sound like a medical incident to me.
Ahh, sorry, must have missed that bit...

Still, damn scary, the folk on board are extremely lucky it wasn't any worse...
 

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Ahh, sorry, must have missed that bit...

Still, damn scary, the folk on board are extremely lucky it wasn't any worse...
They are indeed!

It’s rather inevitable in situations such as these that people will speculate. It’s fortunately very, very rare for a vehicle to become genuinely unstoppable as a result of failure of both the braking system and throttle all at the same time, and those sitting safely in an armchair will of course calmly point out the various actions that they feel a driver might have taken - neutral, handbrake, engine off blah blah - but all of that is awfully easy to do from the safety of one’s front room of course!

Given the severity of the accident I’m sure there’ll be a suitably thorough investigation into what happened, including examination of the vehicle.
 

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They are indeed!

It’s rather inevitable in situations such as these that people will speculate. It’s fortunately very, very rare for a vehicle to become genuinely unstoppable as a result of failure of both the braking system and throttle all at the same time, and those sitting safely in an armchair will of course calmly point out the various actions that they feel a driver might have taken - neutral, handbrake, engine off blah blah - but all of that is awfully easy to do from the safety of one’s front room of course!

Given the severity of the accident I’m sure there’ll be a suitably thorough investigation into what happened, including examination of the vehicle.
Without a doubt, even the most seasoned driver would have a great trouble staying calm in such a situation, then the inevitable issues that usually follow...

The whole incident will be picked apart and pieced back together by various departments, there's absolutely no doubt about that...
 

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I know the throttle pedals on these have two position sensors that read opposite values and if there was an error it would bring on a red engine light and cut power immediately. Only way it would jam is if a foreign object was caught under it such as a ticket roll

Of course brakes on a bus work in a matter of fail safe so require air to release them so any leak would bring them on.

Certainly would be interesting to hear the cause but I doubt we will find out
 
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I was driving a DAF SB2300 when the throttle pedal suddenly went to the floor in roadworks on the M5 with a full load of passengers and it set off like a stabbed rat. Nearly burnt the brakes out getting it back under control before I could get to the hard shoulder and cut the engine
Turned out the throttle return spring had broken, took a long time before the brakes cooled enough to be useable.
 

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I know the throttle pedals on these have two position sensors that read opposite values and if there was an error it would bring on a red engine light and cut power immediately. Only way it would jam is if a foreign object was caught under it such as a ticket roll

Of course brakes on a bus work in a matter of fail safe so require air to release them so any leak would bring them on.

Certainly would be interesting to hear the cause but I doubt we will find out
I'd imagine the throttles are fly by wire. It has happened before where the potentiometer (throttle body) has essentially collapsed internally causing the revs to spike... but this is really speculation... I'm sure it will likely come out down the line. For now, there will be more pressing issues for those involved to deal with.
 

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I'd imagine the throttles are fly by wire. It has happened before where the potentiometer (throttle body) has essentially collapsed internally causing the revs to spike...
Surely there must be some sort of electronic failsafe built in to detect this?
 

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Whilst they’ll always be a level of speculation regarding incidents like this, it isn’t appropriate to immediately state that the driver must be at fault.

All these things will come out in the wash and it’s thankful that no one appears to be seriously injured.
 

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One question I would ask, could Hampshire police have recovered the vehicle, to one of their sites, for a full examination, before returning it to blue star?
 

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One question I would ask, could Hampshire police have recovered the vehicle, to one of their sites, for a full examination, before returning it to blue star?
It’s very likely that it’ll be examined somewhere, yes. That may well be at Bluestar’s own premises or potentially at a Hants Police contractor, as I’m unsure if the police would have sufficient facilities of their own for that. And that’s assuming it can be retrieved in one piece - I wouldn’t be enormously surprised to see it cut up on site, but we’ll find out shortly I suspect. Thankfully it was non-fatal of course, but I rather suspect that it’ll need to be established exactly what happened all the same.
 
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One question I would ask, could Hampshire police have recovered the vehicle, to one of their sites, for a full examination, before returning it to blue star?
As part of the investigation, yes they could and would almost certainly do so. They need to ascertain the root cause of the incident (e.g. vehicle malfunction, driver error, a.n.other cause) to decide if, who and how any prosecution be handled. Equally Go Ahead will be keen to understand any learnings so they can amend any processes/training if their is a human element at play, or if it is a vehicle defect then demonstrate how it wasn't foreseen and how they can proactively prevent a similar incident. An accident of this size will naturally attract the attention of the DVSA so any operator will be required to demonstrate steps taken to prevent it in the first place and demonstrate any learnings have been implemented.

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It’s very likely that it’ll be examined somewhere, yes. That may well be at Bluestar’s own premises or potentially at a Hants Police contractor, as I’m unsure if the police would have sufficient facilities of their own for that. Thankfully it was non-fatal of course, but I rather suspect that it’ll need to be established exactly what happened all the same.
If not police premises then generally it will be the recovery operators premises where by it will be secured for investigation work. It would be unlikely to go back to the operators yard for 2 reasons;

1) There is a potential conflict of interest e.g. an operator could tamper/amend evidence to remove anything potentially incriminating n.b. talking generally, absolutely not saying Bluestar would do that)

2) The vehicle will be in the way in an operational yard and will need to go somewhere else for repair/scrap anyway
 
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Worth pointing out that press reports suggest two were seriously injured (described as exactly that) including the driver, who was reported as being trapped inside the vehicle. I sincerely hope all make swift and full recoveries, of course.

Regretfully the driving seat of a modern bus, with front ends made using high quantities of fibreglass, is sometimes not the safest of places to be sitting in the event of a substantial impact. Again, here’s hoping for minor injuries and a speedy recovery.

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If not police premises then generally it will be the recovery operators premises where by it will be secured for investigation work. It would be unlikely to go back to the operators yard for 2 reasons;

1) There is a potential conflict of interest e.g. an operator could tamper/amend evidence to remove anything potentially incriminating n.b. talking generally, absolutely not saying Bluestar would do that)

2) The vehicle will be in the way in an operational yard and will need to go somewhere else for repair/scrap anyway
Yes, both fair points. I was pondering the perhaps limited availability of a suitably secure premises with sufficient size and kit for jacking a decker up on lifts etc, but I guess a ‘serious’ recovery outfit would likely have that capability.

I don’t know how much spare room there is at Empress Road, but a fair few operators are happy to store their scrap ‘round the back’ for sometimes a surprisingly long time! :D Perhaps not in this case however, especially given that a driver colleague has been injured of course; I’m sure all concerned would appreciate that nobody wants that sat in the corner of the yard. And it’s of little use for component recovery after the impact it’s had, there won’t be much that isn’t bent.
 
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It’s very likely that it’ll be examined somewhere, yes. That may well be at Bluestar’s own premises or potentially at a Hants Police contractor, as I’m unsure if the police would have sufficient facilities of their own for that. And that’s assuming it can be retrieved in one piece - I wouldn’t be enormously surprised to see it cut up on site, but we’ll find out shortly I suspect. Thankfully it was non-fatal of course, but I rather suspect that it’ll need to be established exactly what happened all the same.
Latest BBC report suggests the bus has been lifted out and towed away

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9yv0er808o
Work to remove the bus, seen severely damaged to the front, was carried out overnight with the bus lifted onto the road in the early hours. The bus has been towed away and the road is fully open.
 

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The ‘Hampshire And Iow News’ Facebook page has posted lots of photos of the recovery.

 

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On the assumption that it was a mechanical fault, I wonder whether commercial drivers have sufficient and suitable preparation for dealing with emergencies like that? Thankfully it's very rare that you get a runaway, but that makes it all the harder for the driver to deal with because it's so completely unexpected. I would like to think that if that happened to me, I would have the presence of mind to knock it into neutral or turn the engine off ... but am I confident that I would be able to think rationally and not just go into a blind panic, or freeze? Absolutely not.
 

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The ‘Hampshire And Iow News’ Facebook page has posted lots of photos of the recovery.

I’m amazed they got it out in one piece, frankly!
 

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