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Capacity? Is c2c bucking the trend of other London operators and has loadings back at the level of 2019?
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No date as to when any driver training is due to start.
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Some managers started training on them but unsure if any got passed out or not.
No instructors or drivers have been trained. The units are sitting at Shoeburyness and don't seem to move from what I can see.
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The 720s I saw at Crewe on Monday have been there each evening so far this week. Yesterday though, there was only 1 train not 2.
Not sure about exact numbers but the trains were very busy Monday and extremely busy Tuesday this week. I will see tomorrow if it has quietened down, perhaps because it's a common WFH day but I think it's only going to continue getting busier.
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We seem to be almost back to normal, I'd say we are busier off peak than we were before the pandemic.
We now run 8 cars off peak all week, whereas before 2020 trains were 4 cars. This has put extra requirements on units and reduced maintenance times.
The platform issue at Basildon meaning any train stopping there is now a maximum length of 8 cars has improved things slightly but only while the shortforms to enable stops there continue.
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Looking at West Ham in the peak, definitely
AgreedLooking at West Ham in the peak, definitely
Nicholas Lewis
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Introducing them was in the 2021 Business Plan item 14
https://assets.publishing.service.g...nitalia-c2c-ltd-business-plan-commitments.pdf
although as usual with these documents dates are redacted but clearly they had DfT directive then although whether thats been withdrawn or its an internal issue is never revealed of course.
https://assets.publishing.service.g...nitalia-c2c-ltd-business-plan-commitments.pdf
although as usual with these documents dates are redacted but clearly they had DfT directive then although whether thats been withdrawn or its an internal issue is never revealed of course.
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720611 seen on test by itself at Crewe today....
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I'm always impressed by the confidence exuded in some of your conclusions!
So clearly evidence based too, lol...
Nicholas Lewis
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Work to my old BR managers philosophy KISS (keep it simple stupid) defacto the units are just sitting around doing nothing and probably costing leasing charges so if they aren't going to use them bundle them up with the 20 GA no longer need and you have a nice fleet for somewhere else. OK its tongue in cheek but the sclerosis in todays railway is just ridiculous and the secrecy about what is happening with taxpayers money isn't acceptable. You can't FOI C2C and DfT will just say its nothing to do with them as they don't have the contract.
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There are also routes via Ockendon and Rainham.
Weekend services have/will also be strengthened to 8 coaches on these routes.
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Just seen 609 and 611 together on test at Crewe. Destination Wembley Central again.
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Not to mention the extra 701s which SWR wont need!
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Not sure anyone will want those *cough*
Passed one testing at Stafford on Tuesday 7 Feb. Does seem to be taking an extraordinary time nowadays to test new trains.
The recovery in patronage does seem to be patchy; West Ham in the evening peak seems very busy. I haven't been on C2C recently, but from what I notice of them from the DLR at Shadwell (which does seem to have its old patronage back at all times) the later evening loads are notably thin, which contrarily seems to have coincided with them increasing from four to eight cars. The onetime Friday later evening outwards loads from those who had stayed on at the office etc, and which led to some notably overloaded four-car trains from Fenchurch Street, seems to have pretty much disappeared; the pubs in London say the same.
The recovery in patronage does seem to be patchy; West Ham in the evening peak seems very busy. I haven't been on C2C recently, but from what I notice of them from the DLR at Shadwell (which does seem to have its old patronage back at all times) the later evening loads are notably thin, which contrarily seems to have coincided with them increasing from four to eight cars. The onetime Friday later evening outwards loads from those who had stayed on at the office etc, and which led to some notably overloaded four-car trains from Fenchurch Street, seems to have pretty much disappeared; the pubs in London say the same.
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Is there any news on these, have more been delivered or has driver training started?
Still no driver training started.
And the units have still not been signed off for anyone to be trained on them yet.
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720603 noted on 05/04/23 on 5Q93 15:07 Nuneaton-Crewe / 5Q94 16:48 Crewe-Wembley(did say Ilford but don't think it went that far).
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Spotted one at East Ham this morning in the shed, is this the unit that had been sitting in Shoebury carriage sidings or another one that's been delivered?
It’s the 2 5 car units that have been at Shoeburyness carriage sidings.
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I'm interested to know what's causing the delay to these.
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Definitely, starting to doubt whether any will see passenger service this year.
c2c now have a twitter post saying they now have 604 & 608, and the implication of driver training soon.
c2c now have a twitter post saying they now have 604 & 608, and the implication of driver training soon.
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605+607 emerging from East Ham sheds this morning
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We were told at Passenger Pannel last week that c2c now have taken delivery of 6 units with plans for the remaining units to be delivered one every two weeks. A list of faults/corrections has been sent to Alstom and the plan is for driver training to continue over the coming months. We weren't given any updates about entry to service, although I assume it'll be once more are delivered and drivers complete training.
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There appears to be a press trip happening today