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And they can stop at Barking now, can they?
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Looks like they're also running to Grays! The 1707 Depature from Fenchurch which is 2R48 and operated by 720611. Also calling at Barking which I believe means they've fixed the issues then with Barking previously?
2R48 FST -> GRY RTT
Seems so as the Grays and Shoeburyness via Tilbury are stopping there.
They have worked as 5 car preciously. Most days for the last few weeks they have been running 5 cars on the 0957 Shoeburyness - Fenchurch Street and return at 1134 for driver runs. They also did some late night runs around their first introduction on loop trains into Liverpool Street.
First time they have run on the weekends though.
612 was out this morning however it failed with door issues on one of the first trains this morning.
Ah interesting, thought this was the first time they had carried passengers as 5 cars, hopefully this is an indication of an eventual further increase in their usage and as has been mentioned, means the Barking issues have been resolved (although I did wonder whether that might have had anything to do with them running as 5 cars rather than 10 and therefore stopping in a different location on the platform?) I'm sure someone will be able to either confirm or disregard that theory
Peter Sarf
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At one O'Clock this morning I spied four pairs of 720/6s on RTT for this mornings services.
Just checked and there were not four pairs yesterday morning.
Still only two pairs in the afternoon though.
Arrivals into Fenchurch Street are :-
1B15 07:21 from Leigh-on-Sea arrives at 08:09 720601 + 720612,
2R69 07:03 from Southend Central arrives at 08:18 720602 + 720605,
1B21 07:71 from Thorpe Bay arrives at 08:30 720610 + 720611,
1B39 07:39 from Shoeburyness arrives 08:44 720606 + 720609.
EDIT (29/01/2024)
Looks like no 720/6s out today (Monday 29/01/2024).
Wonder why ?.
Maybe keeping it simple on/around strike days.
Just checked and there were not four pairs yesterday morning.
Still only two pairs in the afternoon though.
Arrivals into Fenchurch Street are :-
1B15 07:21 from Leigh-on-Sea arrives at 08:09 720601 + 720612,
2R69 07:03 from Southend Central arrives at 08:18 720602 + 720605,
1B21 07:71 from Thorpe Bay arrives at 08:30 720610 + 720611,
1B39 07:39 from Shoeburyness arrives 08:44 720606 + 720609.
EDIT (29/01/2024)
Looks like no 720/6s out today (Monday 29/01/2024).
Wonder why ?.
Maybe keeping it simple on/around strike days.
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samuelmorris
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I think during the overtime ban they aren't used as not all drivers are trained to drive them.
Peter Mugridge
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I think that's right... the 17.16 and 17.43 are showing as 8* and 12 car 357 respectively today.
*That'll be a bit cosy...
On Saturday 27 January 2024 I had 720608 and 605. They were running about 10 minutes apart. 720608 was on the 1452 Grays to Fenchurch Street which stopped at Barking. Followed up with 720605 on the 1413 Shoeburyness - Fenchurch Street. No problems finding an empty bay of seats.
Noticing a concerning number of 4 car allocations too, even on the Via Basildon services which usually remain at least 8 throughout the day. I know there are probably overtime ban related reasons for this, but try telling commuters who get left behind on the platforms that...
Showing on RTT as just 720601
Peter Sarf
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RTT now showing as 720601 & 720605 so source system must have just been updated.
RTT link
Not much else seems to be happening with 720/6s so far this week. Overtime ban so a little surprised this is running especially as it is not a usual one ?.
Kite159
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Maybe C2C are more confident that more drivers sign the 720s compared to the last overtime ban?
2 units out today on Fenchurch Street - Shoeburyness via Ockendon, 612 and another however allocations aren’t coming up.
612 however has just failed at Grays been sat here for over 20 minutes with the pan down.
they do have a sticker in the cab window with a blue triangle which reads:
“ONLY COUPLE UP IF BOTH UNITS HAVE THIS SIGN DISPLAYED”
“This unit is fitted with TCMS Software 2.2.12”
Or something along those lines it’s difficult to read, any ideas what this relates to?
612 however has just failed at Grays been sat here for over 20 minutes with the pan down.
they do have a sticker in the cab window with a blue triangle which reads:
“ONLY COUPLE UP IF BOTH UNITS HAVE THIS SIGN DISPLAYED”
“This unit is fitted with TCMS Software 2.2.12”
Or something along those lines it’s difficult to read, any ideas what this relates to?
I assume not all the units are on the same version of Train Control & Management System which coupling up different versions may lead to incompatibilities.
It's running as 2D33. Just left Southend Central on its way to Fenchurch via Ockendon
It's running as 2D33. Just left Southend Central on its way to Fenchurch via Ockendon
The difference in software causes the brakes not to release on one of the units and other issues if 2 trains are coupled with the different software updates.
Not many on weekdays. A look at RTT for yesterday shows that a peak time 10-car splits for two 5-car off-peak workings between Shoeburyness and Fenchurch Street. The other 720 workings are peak only.
Realtime Trains | Departures from London Fenchurch Street between 0200 and 0159 on 22/03/2024
Train information at London Fenchurch Street between 0200 and 0159 on 22/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
There are seven single 720s out today on Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Ockendon services today.
Realtime Trains | Departures from Ockendon between 0200 and 0159 on 23/03/2024
Train information at Ockendon between 0200 and 0159 on 23/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
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DominicFindlay
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I saw two class 720 at stanford le hope about an hour ago.
One unit in each direction.
Also saw 2 - 2 unit class 357 at basildon
One unit in each direction.
Also saw 2 - 2 unit class 357 at basildon
Many thanks Jonathan - that's really helpful.Not many on weekdays. A look at RTT for yesterday shows that a peak time 10-car splits for two 5-car off-peak workings between Shoeburyness and Fenchurch Street. The other 720 workings are peak only.
Realtime Trains | Departures from London Fenchurch Street between 0200 and 0159 on 22/03/2024
Train information at London Fenchurch Street between 0200 and 0159 on 22/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
There are seven single 720s out today on Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Ockendon services today.
When I look at RTT, I don't get the final column with number of carriages (see link below), and I can't see a way to switch it on - how's it done, please?
Realtime Trains | Departures from London Fenchurch Street around 0845 on 22/04/2024
Train information at London Fenchurch Street around 0845 on 22/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Many thanks
pokemonsuper9
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You're looking at April there, Know Your Train allocations usually only start showing up at 1 or 2am on the day in question, it'd be incredibly hard, if not impossible, to know which units would be running which services this far in advance.When I look at RTT, I don't get the final column with number of carriages (see link below), and I can't see a way to switch it on - how's it done, please?
Many thanksRealtime Trains | Departures from London Fenchurch Street around 0845 on 22/04/2024
Train information at London Fenchurch Street around 0845 on 22/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
10 carriage trains running at peak times on various services. They can be seen on timetables as they are displayed as 10 carriage trains on there.
Weekends depends on engineering works, today every Fenchurch - Shoeburyness via Ockendon is a 5/720 as there are no engineering works. When there is engineering works they usually run fewer 720s, such as last weekend where only a couple were out.
Saturdays are usually your best chances at getting them.
Weekends depends on engineering works, today every Fenchurch - Shoeburyness via Ockendon is a 5/720 as there are no engineering works. When there is engineering works they usually run fewer 720s, such as last weekend where only a couple were out.
Saturdays are usually your best chances at getting them.
Many thanks pokemonsuper9.
I rarely look at RTT for dates in the past, but I now see that this column in shown.
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I nailed all 7 single units today for haulage operating on their own diagrams today. Like shooting fish in a barrel.Not many on weekdays. A look at RTT for yesterday shows that a peak time 10-car splits for two 5-car off-peak workings between Shoeburyness and Fenchurch Street. The other 720 workings are peak only.
Realtime Trains | Departures from London Fenchurch Street between 0200 and 0159 on 22/03/2024
Train information at London Fenchurch Street between 0200 and 0159 on 22/03/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
There are seven single 720s out today on Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness via Ockendon services today.
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Any reason why they are diagrammed on services via Ockenden rather than the main line?
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In my tenure the Ockendon services were too busy for a 4-car but didn't really justify an 8-car