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strettonarms96
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Do we know which marches diagrams today are planned for 197s?
JakeMurphy
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044 yes 043 no
6Gtraincrew
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TT-ONR-NRN
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What source are you getting that information from? It needs to be updated, clearly!
Techniquest
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Did the 1322 ever actually leave? I was waiting for it further up the line, the 1252 Cardiff-Manchester was showing as 67014 but turned up with 175108. The 197s (021+018, which I'd thankfully had on their way south this morning, about 20 late on the 1012 from Hereford to Cardiff) didn't turn up, and the 1101 Milford Haven-Manchester Piccadilly got an additional call at Pontypool & New Inn as a result. That was an overcrowded 150258, which I flagged quite happily as I didn't fancy cramming into that!
The 1522 did indeed rock up with a pair of 175s, 175010+175103. 103 was locked out of use, very frustrating but the novelty of a pair of 175s was most welcome. I had looked at doing the 1722 from Cardiff, which had been showing as 197048+197009 on their way south, but I didn't get a visual on that. The risk of them not leaving Cardiff, a la 197021+197018, was too great.
I have photos, but they're on the phone which is receiving a badly needed charge.
It appears the 1322 was cancelled due to a problem with the traction equipment and the service was restarted at Chester.
How many 197s are we up to now that are in service? It must be around 30 now.
Techniquest
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That would make sense, given the inward working was on time then suddenly lost time after Shrewsbury. The delay stayed consistent at least, just a shame it didn't show on RTT as cancelled otherwise I'd have not gone for it. It stayed on the board at Pontypool until nearly 1430 before simply disappearing. No warning of cancellation or anything, it just went.
I shouldn't complain too much, as it gave me a chance to get some photos of 175s in the sun
I will probably never get to travel on a pair of 175s again, so that opportunity yesterday was definitely welcome!There was a fault on the units and they later formed the 20:55 Cardiff to Chester via Crewe.
The passenger/proving/training fleet (units alternate between each) is currently 197001/002/004/006-021/042-048 and 104/110-112 So yes 30 units in total.
meld3
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So nearly all the first batch of 2-cars working then.
I gather 003 is a test mule for the Cambrian signalling batch, but what is happening to 005 ??
I gather 003 is a test mule for the Cambrian signalling batch, but what is happening to 005 ??
005 has been delivered but not very long ago, not sure where its upto in the acceptance process.
Thanks for posting that list. I thought it was around 30 now. Double the amount it was a few months ago. Shouldn't be too long before we get more diagrams I hope.
Any news on whether they can stable over in Cardiff and run the early Holyhead services. Also when they finally work to Carmarthen will they be able to stable there initially or will it be workings that start and end elsewhere?
I’ve read 2 reports 2 saying 26 or 27/0s.If the former all 26 now in service/training etc with 8 /1s to come. Do we know which ones?
It appears 2/5/6/8/13/16-18 all built. Will it be them?
101 was out in Friday on 5Q40.
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AFAIK 049 should be the 27th and wasn't far from being out so potentially it could be by now.
The 3s are mostly Still running in the mileage accumulation paths up and down the North Wales Coast with ROG drivers so don't hear much about those yet
Cheers.
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How many 197s are in service now?
FrodshamJnct
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First time on a 3 car 197 today (197111). Very pleasant indeed. Even a trolley service on the 1547 Lime St to Chester!
You'll probably find trolleys on Liverpool services a bit more over the summer, they're often signed off services along the coast due to overcrowding and they're sent off to Liverpool, Crewe or Shrewsbury (if no trolley already onboard!) to save them sitting around doing nothing.
I believe they sometimes do quite well on the Liverpools particularly if people are off for a day on the booze!
Envoy
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Not sure why they would need a trolley service for such a short hop? Let’s hope they get that 3 car working The Marches soon - complete with trolley.
FrodshamJnct
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I overheard the lady staffing the trolley conversing with the guard, and it’s as @L401CJF has mentioned above. She was saying to the guard that’s it that or they’re “sat around doing nothing”.
Western 52
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104 is on 1V97 1500 Holyhead to Cardiff today. I saw it at Shrewsbury.
Is it still running on only two engines?
TT-ONR-NRN
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And yesterday some drunk women in the rear carriage of 197104 were disturbing everyone in the centre carriage, which is a reason I don’t like the lack of inter-carriage doors.
FrodshamJnct
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I didn’t actually notice (my 3 year old in tow with me yesterday so only time for a few quick observations).
Yes, they should have been ordered with doors really.
I got a 150 between Conwy and Bangor and that really highlighted what an upgrade the 197's are.
childwallblues
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Can a 197 work in passenger service with a 158?
The 0930 Chester to Birmingham International is normally a four car 158 from Bay Platform 2 formed from the incoming 2 car 0605 from Birmingham International to Chester (158825) and 0730 from Holyhead which today was 197009. Both trains were signalled into the bay but could not be joined together by staff. Eventually everybody was taken off the Holyhead train and on to an already very full 158. Surely you would have thought that TfW Control would have noticed a potential problem happening?
The 0930 Chester to Birmingham International is normally a four car 158 from Bay Platform 2 formed from the incoming 2 car 0605 from Birmingham International to Chester (158825) and 0730 from Holyhead which today was 197009. Both trains were signalled into the bay but could not be joined together by staff. Eventually everybody was taken off the Holyhead train and on to an already very full 158. Surely you would have thought that TfW Control would have noticed a potential problem happening?
SuperLuke2334
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They have different couplers so no they can't. Only other sprinters and 170s can work with 158s.