Caledonian Sleeper

[Scotrail84]

The magic box reports loss of time in running due to two locos on the train.

I'm guessing if a 92 was shutdown DIT then the train must be restricted to 75mph then?

 

[DavidCooper]

Referring back to my post #17,402 (27th Jan), it appears that 92028 was the extra 92 we were waiting for - the stock came in from Wembley with 92023+92014 and left with 92028+92014 (info from RTT). The speed from Wembley (?) to perhaps MKC was a steady 87mph (GPS app on smartphone). On my return journey on Jan 31st, again there were two 92s 92028+92043. No idea why.

 

[Scotrail84]

Referring back to my post #17,402 (27th Jan), it appears that 92028 was the extra 92 we were waiting for - the stock came in from Wembley with 92023+92014 and left with 92028+92014 (info from RTT). The speed from Wembley (?) to perhaps MKC was a steady 87mph (GPS app on smartphone). On my return journey on Jan 31st, again there were two 92s 92028+92043. No idea why.

With that then I'm going to assume that 028 was gubbed and needed moved to Polmadie for repairs and 043 was sent down in its place to save leaving them short in London. Could also be that 028 was due an exam. Sometimes if 92s are faulty they moved to short runs such as the drawbacks in/out off Euston or put on 5C11/1C11 and 1B26/5B26 just incase of a failure so they are 'relatively' close to Polmadie.

1S26 arrived 78 late into Glasgow. Lost all its time at Carstairs. Looks like a points failure was the culprit.

 

[paul1609]

Are you sure? That would imply electropneumatic braking. Nothing in the Edinburgh overrun report that I have read so far, including the diagram on p16, implies that.

Won't there have to be some sort of interlocking within the carriage sets for the power operated doors? Such as if the emergency access is operated (or the power to the same is lost) the brakes will be fully applied.

 

[Scotrail84]

Another cancelation tonight, this time 1M11 from Glasgow. (info seen on twitter/X), a few unhappy chappies.

 

[JModulo]

Another cancelation tonight, this time 1M11 from Glasgow. (info seen on twitter/X), a few unhappy chappies.

Partial cancellation. Service still ran in full from Carstairs.

 

[Scotrail84]

Partial cancellation. Service still ran in full from Carstairs.

Still a cancellation and the service ran very short formed so that means Sundays nights northbound will be impacted. read the twitter posts, passengers were still in Glasgow after midnight.

 

[D6130]

Still a cancellation and the service ran very short formed so that means Sundays nights northbound will be impacted. read the twitter posts, passengers were still in Glasgow after midnight.

Were the Glasgow pax bussed - or special trained - to Carstairs to join the train there?

 

[Scotrail84]

Were the Glasgow pax bussed - or special trained - to Carstairs to join the train there?

A twitter post from CS about 1am mentioned taxis to Carstairs for stranded passengers.

 

[LoogaBarooga]

I was on it, yeah we were taxied to Carstairs. It was all a bit of a shambles tbh, my wife and I arrived at Central at about 22.30 and even then it was obvious the train wasn't going to run.

What impact will it have on Sunday night? We're due back on that one...

 

[JModulo]

Still a cancellation and the service ran very short formed so that means Sundays nights northbound will be impacted. read the twitter posts, passengers were still in Glasgow after midnight.

It ran with 1 coach less. Hardly very short formed.

 

[gabrielhj07]

It ran with 1 coach less. Hardly very short formed.

Don't know how full it was, but dropping a coach off the sleeper is probably a much greater inconvenience than with any other train.

 

[Scotrail84]

It ran with 1 coach less. Hardly very short formed.

Bear in mind its already short formed by 3 due to cracking and maintenance issues and 3 were 'supposedly' shunted off on depot in order for it to run.

I was on it, yeah we were taxied to Carstairs. It was all a bit of a shambles tbh, my wife and I arrived at Central at about 22.30 and even then it was obvious the train wasn't going to run.

What impact will it have on Sunday night? We're due back on that one...

Thats not surprising in the slightest. No plan B it seems.

One of the two services will be very short formed. My guess is the it will be the Lowlander that takes the hit.

 

[JModulo]

Bear in mind its already short formed by 3 due to cracking and maintenance issues and 3 were 'supposedly' shunted off on depot in order for it to run.


Thats not surprising in the slightest. No plan B it seems.

One of the two services will be very short formed. My guess is the it will be the Lowlander that takes the hit.

Ofcourse 3 were shunted off in a way... you can't just pick 1 coach out the middle like a Hornby set and Remove it. 1 coach removed in total.

 

[Scotrail84]

Ofcourse 3 were shunted off in a way... you can't just pick 1 coach out the middle like a Hornby set and Remove it. 1 coach removed in total.

So thats now a rake of 11 vice what would normally be 16 if there was no issues. Thats well short, school holidays coming up too. The fleet is in dire straights. Dropping like flies. Bookings will be getting cancelled at this rate.

RTT indicates tonight highlander is formed of only 11 vehicles.

More delays. 1S25 still in Euston, its also blocking in the loco for 1S26.

 

[Class15]

Empty stock 3M11 has failed/encountered a blockage at Willesden Junction and has been sitting there for 75 minutes. No idea what’s gone wrong. Local services running on the Fast lines and freight via Gospel Oak

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Empty stock 3M11 has failed/encountered a blockage at Willesden Junction and has been sitting there for 75 minutes. No idea what’s gone wrong. Local services running on the Fast lines and freight via Gospel Oak

It looks like it's the 92 that's failed ( 92 033 showing on Real Time Trains as being on this ); there's a 1Z99 approaching...

Screenshot below from Open Time Trains shows "FAIL" set behind 3M11 and 1Z99 appearing on the other side in Brent sidings.

 

[Deepgreen]

So thats now a rake of 11 vice what would normally be 16 if there was no issues. Thats well short, school holidays coming up too. The fleet is in dire straights. Dropping like flies. Bookings will be getting cancelled at this rate.

RTT indicates tonight highlander is formed of only 11 vehicles.

More delays. 1S25 still in Euston, its also blocking in the loco for 1S26.

I'm booked on the Fort William run on 11 March, so I wonder how things will be then. Perhaps they can borrow some GWR cars for an interesting rake...!

It ran with 1 coach less. Hardly very short formed.

The passengers booked in that coach can't be expected to stand in other coaches, though...

 

[Meerkat]

Any chance this thread could be split into one for service updates and one for changes to the routes/stock/operation?

 

[paninaro]

Any chance this thread could be split into one for service updates and one for changes to the routes/stock/operation?

Ooo, yes that would be helpful (for me at least)

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Any chance this thread could be split into one for service updates and one for changes to the routes/stock/operation?

I'm not sure... wouldn't the two subjects be very closely linked and we'd end up getting things posted on both threads?

 

[xotGD]

I'm not sure... wouldn't the two subjects be very closely linked and we'd end up getting things posted on both threads?

And where would people most their views on the comfort level of the pillows?

 

[Meerkat]

I'm not sure... wouldn't the two subjects be very closely linked and we'd end up getting things posted on both threads?

One would be for changes to timetables, stock, product.
The other would be for all the delays and breakdowns - service updates.
imo they are quite easy to keep separate, but I’m not sure on forum policy for “I went on it, it was good but the hot water didn’t work” - I would tend toward those being service updates

 

[zwk500]

One would be for changes to timetables, stock, product.
The other would be for all the delays and breakdowns - service updates.
imo they are quite easy to keep separate, but I’m not sure on forum policy for “I went on it, it was good but the hot water didn’t work” - I would tend toward those being service updates

Maybe we need a whole separate subforum Then you could have threads for reviews, trip plans, incindents, etc, etc..

 

[Meerkat]

Maybe we need a whole separate subforum Then you could have threads for reviews, trip plans, incindents, etc, etc..

I wasn’t sure how strictly you separate trip reports from effectively anecdata for a ‘these trains are crap/wonderful debate.

 

[CW2]

I wasn’t sure how strictly you separate trip reports from effectively anecdata for a ‘these trains are crap/wonderful debate.

That's the first time I've encountered the word "Anecdata". Wonderful! Every day is a school day.

 

[xotGD]

One would be for changes to timetables, stock, product.
The other would be for all the delays and breakdowns - service updates.
imo they are quite easy to keep separate, but I’m not sure on forum policy for “I went on it, it was good but the hot water didn’t work” - I would tend toward those being service updates

You're missing the most important stuff: Gen.

 

[alholmes]

One would be for changes to timetables, stock, product.
The other would be for all the delays and breakdowns - service updates.
imo they are quite easy to keep separate

Not sure these are always easy to separate, as for CS in particular a breakdown on one evening could often lead to changes to timetable or train formation the following evening.

 

[johnr57]

Hey guys, all this talk of splitting off bits of threads of the CS thread would remove its great attraction. The fact that it wanders around all over the place , interspersed with the relay of performance failures and successes , intermingled with intense discussions ( some might say disagreement) around the important topics as pillows, hot water, riviera comparisons and often banal trivia is the complete tonic after a day of Teams meetings!
I recall the original thread was stopped through excessive diversification but reborn by Essexman and I vote to keep this thread and encourage the continuation of the CS themed diversification. Long may it last

 

[Bald Rick]

One would be for changes to timetables, stock, product.
The other would be for all the delays and breakdowns - service updates.

One would have lots of contributors, and the other would generally have one!