Can staff swap 'collectable' coins with their own change?

[bunnahabhain]

My coin collection is almost exclusively made up of what I found at work. Provided you don't mix up your own and the company money I see no issue.

 

[xotGD]

At work we have sweets on sale for charity, £1 a bag. When I want to buy a bag and only have a fiver l must look dodgy opening the money box to get £4 in change.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Cash regs used to be quite clear on the matter, no personal items in the ticket office, no company money in the mess or locker room, no buying tickets off your own shift, that sort of thing. They've finally realised that most of that isn't really enforceable on a day to day basis and now have a watered down version which, at least in my neck of the woods, only seems to get enforced if your face doesn't fit.

 

[father_jack]

I wonder where these came from

 

[cin88]

My employers generally take a "we don't care as long as the money is right" approach. Although anything lost/gained over £10 is looked at. Repeat problems attract security's attention, as was the case this morning for me. It's not uncommon for staff to be swapping out pennies and other small change for higher denominations. We don't generally have a problem as long as you're clearly seen changing it. People that are always bang on tend to attract attention though, quite a few have been caught taking money when up and replacing it with their own when down.

I've got about £30 worth of those Beatrix Potter coins (mostly Peter Rabbit) thanks to work, two George Best fivers and a few random other 50p coins all swapped out from my tills.

 

[jon0844]

In our store, there was a table that recorded your variances. The first two of £1 or more entailed 'retraining', the third a verbal warning, the fourth a written warning and you can guess what the next step was...

You became Chancellor of the Exchequer?

 

[Busaholic]

You became Chancellor of the Exchequer?

Nice one

 

[route101]

Cash regs used to be quite clear on the matter, no personal items in the ticket office, no company money in the mess or locker room, no buying tickets off your own shift, that sort of thing. They've finally realised that most of that isn't really enforceable on a day to day basis and now have a watered down version which, at least in my neck of the woods, only seems to get enforced if your face doesn't fit.

Ugh bain of my work ,if your face dosent fit , pretty sure thats why other people get away with murder and i wonder why they treat me strangely .

 

[route:oxford]

At my old place of work, £10,000 went missing from the tills.

It was fairly obvious who had taken it, early investigations quickly identified that whilst the individual passed the CRB check - there's no way her drug dealing boyfriend who had been in and out of prison would have.

To press charges would have been an massive reputational risk, we didn't get the money back.

 

[Essan]

When I joined the railway, one of my colleagues had worked at the Regent Street travel centre in the 1950s. Apparently, one day a lady bought a ticket and insisted on paying for it with gold sovereigns. Needless to say none of them got banked!

Really?! As a coin, the "face value" of a gold sovereign is £1 ......

 

[Joe Paxton]

My employers generally take a "we don't care as long as the money is right" approach. Although anything lost/gained over £10 is looked at. Repeat problems attract security's attention, as was the case this morning for me. It's not uncommon for staff to be swapping out pennies and other small change for higher denominations. We don't generally have a problem as long as you're clearly seen changing it. People that are always bang on tend to attract attention though, quite a few have been caught taking money when up and replacing it with their own when down.
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That's interesting.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

That's interesting.

Everyone makes mistakes, not necessarily very often but we do make them, so to be bang on every single day, over a reasonable time period, is seen somewhat suspiciously.

 

[northwichcat]

Everyone makes mistakes, not necessarily very often but we do make them, so to be bang on every single day, over a reasonable time period, is seen somewhat suspiciously.

I would have thought normally anyone who's accidentally short changed will point it out but some people who are given a little bit extra probably won't say anything.

Saying that I do recall once on a train a guard said he was running out of change and gave me something like 20p less change than he should have done. He said he'd come back after he'd taken some more fares but didn't come through the train again. Perhaps I should have sent Northern a bill for £80.20 afterwards.

 

[northwichcat]

At my old place of work, £10,000 went missing from the tills.

It was fairly obvious who had taken it, early investigations quickly identified that whilst the individual passed the CRB check - there's no way her drug dealing boyfriend who had been in and out of prison would have.

To press charges would have been an massive reputational risk, we didn't get the money back.

Possibly also hard to prove unless you have evidence e.g. CCTV. Saying that the other existing employees can be trusted wouldn't be sufficient evidence as an existing employee might decide there's an opportunity to steal money and blame it on someone else if there's a new person recently joined who the employer doesn't yet fully trust.

 

[A Challenge]

At my old place of work, £10,000 went missing from the tills.

It was fairly obvious who had taken it, early investigations quickly identified that whilst the individual passed the CRB check - there's no way her drug dealing boyfriend who had been in and out of prison would have.

To press charges would have been an massive reputational risk, we didn't get the money back.

How long was it over?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

I would have thought normally anyone who's accidentally short changed will point it out but some people who are given a little bit extra probably won't say anything....

The other day I had to go to the platform after a passenger who left some of their change (not pennies) on the counter (I'm honest like that). Short changing is one thing that can happen though, giving too much is another, being handed a scrunched up note that is actually two notes is yet another, the list goes on. Sometimes you don't even know your money is out until the next person in the chain counts it. Sometimes it's out and you have no idea why. Mistakes happen all the time.

 

[headshot119]

From my knowledge a few years back, the security departments of large retailers tended to be more suspicious if the tills tallied 100% all of the time.

It was expected / understood that a store might run out of 1p pieces on a busy day and give 2p change - or somebody miscounted or inadvertently gave the wrong change - natural human error. Whereas a till which was always bang on to the penny would prompt questions about what was being done to ensure that happened.

Tills should never be 100% perfect 100% of the time. That's when you start to suspect overs being lifted.

My employers generally take a "we don't care as long as the money is right" approach. Although anything lost/gained over £10 is looked at. Repeat problems attract security's attention, as was the case this morning for me. It's not uncommon for staff to be swapping out pennies and other small change for higher denominations. We don't generally have a problem as long as you're clearly seen changing it. People that are always bang on tend to attract attention though, quite a few have been caught taking money when up and replacing it with their own when down.

I've got about £30 worth of those Beatrix Potter coins (mostly Peter Rabbit) thanks to work, two George Best fivers and a few random other 50p coins all swapped out from my tills.

Fairly common to find people doing that, and it's prevalent when people cash there own tills up.

Another fairly common scam especially in bar work is to take a £10 note of your "friend" for a drink, then return £10 is coins, it's difficult to tell on the CCTV how much is being given back.

How long was it over?

I can think of one place I've worked where it would be possible to make £10,000 disappear in one night. But I'd be interested if it was over a period of time.

 

[Busaholic]

Tills should never be 100% perfect 100% of the time. That's when you start to suspect overs being lifted.



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I read once of a case where the tills were right 100% of the time, that was until they realised a complete till and its contents weren't included. No-one had actually counted the number of tills.

 

[A Challenge]

I read once of a case where the tills were right 100% of the time, that was until they realised a complete till and its contents weren't included. No-one had actually counted the number of tills.

That was an embarrassing moment for the management, I imagine, but how could that happen? Was it somewhere with one till then?