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1. Cardiff Parkway should open relatively quickly - and initially be served by Cardiff - Ebbw and Cardiff - Cheltenham services operated by TfW.
2. Cardiff-Bristol services operated by TfW will come later when 'Burns' stations/Metro East opens in maybe 5 years. These will stop at Parkway.
3. Unlikely GWR intercity or regional services will stop there. Maybe TfW Marches line will.
4. Grand Union say they will stop there.
Ps this is not Cardiff East (which is to be located at Newport Road/Rover Way).
Does anyone know if it is proposed to have 170m platforms or full length 270m platforms (I think the other handful of new South Wales mainline are to be 170m length). So wouldn't be long enough for 9car or 10car (2x5) without selective door opening.
I understand 170m length comes from pairs of 4x20m EMUs (and of course 350s are spare, and GWR 387s are this size) but could also handle upto 7cars of 23m or 6car x 26m.
Rather more sensible than some of the new Bristol area stations which need mixed formations to fully utilise their platform length
Cardiff-Ebbw and Cardiff-Cheltenham currently run at 1tph
TfW want to operate at least 1tph to Temple Meads and will probably end up with 2tph.
TfW are also considering a second train to Chelteham and a second to Ebbw.
Some of these additional services will be express - not stopping at Burns stations but still stopping at Parkway.
So that is up to 6tph. I suspect that the Marches line train to Manchester or Holyhead will also stop there, but I dont know about GWR regional trains or CrossCountry etc
So much depends on what developments grow up around the station. At least by building the station we are not in a position where lower density development fills the space and there is only a marginal demand for rail.
I am not sure what the obsession with opening service is. IF the demand grows there is no passenger train which passes that it is impossible to stop.
Cardiff-Ebbw and Cardiff-Cheltenham currently run at 1tph
TfW want to operate at least 1tph to Temple Meads and will probably end up with 2tph.
TfW are also considering a second train to Chelteham and a second to Ebbw.
Some of these additional services will be express - not stopping at Burns stations but still stopping at Parkway.
So that is up to 6tph. I suspect that the Marches line train to Manchester or Holyhead will also stop there, but I dont know about GWR regional trains or CrossCountry etc
All the enhancements you mention are likely to be a long way into the future. All will need extra units that will have to be ordered and built. Half hourly to Ebbw Vale would only be possible if the Newport to Ebbw Vale were binned.
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So much depends on what developments grow up around the station. At least by building the station we are not in a position where lower density development fills the space and there is only a marginal demand for rail.
I am not sure what the obsession with opening service is. IF the demand grows there is no passenger train which passes that it is impossible to stop.
There are already thousands of houses in the area. For people travelling east, it will save time, but it needs a frequent service. If I'm travelling with the kids, we normally drive to Newport. If the frequency at Cardiff Parkway is poor, we will carry on doing that.
All the enhancements you mention are likely to be a long way into the future. All will need extra units that will have to be ordered and built. Half hourly to Ebbw Vale would only be possible if the Newport to Ebbw Vale were binned.
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There are already thousands of houses in the area. For people travelling east, it will save time, but it needs a frequent service. If I'm travelling with the kids, we normally drive to Newport. If the frequency at Cardiff Parkway is poor, we will carry on doing that.
However, this is the sort of density needed to bring more services to the area.
Image is an artists impression of the development around the station showing many apartments, offices etc and associated landscaping. From the article in the opening post
The fact is 000's of houses is not enough and it will need to be 0000's of houses. However, given the need to build so many more houses and the comparatively available nature of Cardiff to Newport for development (compared to say concreting over the Vale of Glamorgan or up the valleys) this seems like a great opportunity to develop something to meet Wales demands.
No doubt it will end up as half occupied industrial sheds and some low density houses that wont command a London service.
BBC is reporting that Spending review includes £445m for some new stations in Wales, including Cardiff East Parkway and some level crossing upgrades
Chancellor Rachel Reeves will use her spending review on Wednesday to announce £445m for new rail projects in north and south Wales.
More details are expected on Wednesday, but plans for five new stations in Cardiff, Newport and Monmouthshire, as well as upgrades in north Wales, are on the agenda.
It follows years of complaints of underinvestment in the Welsh railway network.
As I read it, Cardiff Parkway is not included in the announcement, but Cardiff East (to be sited at Pengam Junction) is. That would be logical as the former is a separate scheme (and funding) to the 5 local stations on the main line which are proposed to relieve the M4.
As I read it, Cardiff Parkway is not included in the announcement, but Cardiff East (to be sited at Pengam Junction) is. That would be logical as the former is a separate scheme (and funding) to the 5 local stations on the main line which are proposed to relieve the M4.
Correct, Cardiff Parkway is a separate, mostly privately funded development. Haven't heard anything about it since the WG finally gave it the go-ahead.
Correct, Cardiff Parkway is a separate, mostly privately funded development. Haven't heard anything about it since the WG finally gave it there go-ahead.
There doesn't seem to have been any news about the wider development since then either. If the rest doesn't happen the station won't. Though tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they end up building something much scaled down and say there is no money for the station.
There doesn't seem to have been any news about the wider development since then either. If the rest doesn't happen the station won't. Though tbh I wouldn't be surprised if they end up building something much scaled down and say there is no money for the station.
That’s why planning permission for these sort of schemes should be dependent on such promised “services” being completed first. Give a government backed loan if necessary - to be paid back as development stsges are completed.
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