clarification on split ticketing

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silverfoxcc

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Was it once the rule that for this to be 'legal' a journey from A to E with tickets covering sectors A-B,B-C,C-D,D-E the train had to stop at those 'spilt' stations

Has this now been removed so a train that travels non stop from A to E passing through, but not stopping at B,C,D those same tickets are now'valid'?
 
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I'm going to assume that none of the tickets are seasons or zonal. In which case, the train must call at each station where you change to the next ticket.
 

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No. There are exceptions for season tickets, Rovers/Rangers and other zonal tickets.
14.
From Condition of Travel
Using a combination of Tickets
14.1 Unless shown below, you may use a combination of two or more Tickets to make a journey provided that the train services you use call at the station(s) where you change
from one Ticket to another.
14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last
station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be
valid.
 

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14.2 If you are using a Season Ticket, daily Zonal Ticket, or another area based Ticket such as a concessionary pass, ranger or rover in conjunction with another Ticket and the last
station at which one Ticket is valid and the first station that the other Ticket is valid are the same, then the train does not need to call at that station for your combination to be
valid.
I've never noticed the "or another area based ticket" in this Condition of Travel before.

Does this mean that you do not need to buy a Boundary Zone (BZ) ticket if you are using a TfL Travelcard but can use a ticket to the 'boundary station' instead ? A TfL Travelcard is an area based ticket, so it seems that validity does not require the train to stop at the 'boundary station'.

To be clear, the incentive to do so is to avoid queuing to buy a BZ ticket in places where TVMs do not issue BZ tickets.
 

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I've never noticed the "or another area based ticket" in this Condition of Travel before.

Does this mean that you do not need to buy a Boundary Zone (BZ) ticket if you are using a TfL Travelcard but can use a ticket to the 'boundary station' instead ? A TfL Travelcard is an area based ticket, so it seems that validity does not require the train to stop at the 'boundary station'.

To be clear, the incentive to do so is to avoid queuing to buy a BZ ticket in places where TVMs do not issue BZ tickets.
Indeed. A Travelcard is a Zonal ticket
 

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Does this mean that you do not need to buy a Boundary Zone (BZ) ticket if you are using a TfL Travelcard but can use a ticket to the 'boundary station' instead ? A TfL Travelcard is an area based ticket, so it seems that validity does not require the train to stop at the 'boundary station'.

To be clear, the incentive to do so is to avoid queuing to buy a BZ ticket in places where TVMs do not issue BZ tickets.
To me yes it would indeed mean that, and some stations were doing it anyway. That said, you can in some cases gain an advantage by using an actual BZ ticket because what that does is turn your ticket combination into the reverse of an outboundary day Travelcard, and as such can give you quite considerably more flexibility of route than a simple point to point ticket.
 

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To me yes it would indeed mean that, and some stations were doing it anyway. That said, you can in some cases gain an advantage by using an actual BZ ticket because what that does is turn your ticket combination into the reverse of an outboundary day Travelcard, and as such can give you quite considerably more flexibility of route than a simple point to point ticket.
Thanks.

Can you clarify what you meant by "some stations were doing it anyway" ?

Good point on the flexible routing. My case is Fleet with Surbiton as the boundary. Can't see a big advantage for me. I'm interested in where the route flexibility pays dividends for you.
 

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Thanks.

Can you clarify what you meant by "some stations were doing it anyway" ?

Good point on the flexible routing. My case is Fleet with Surbiton as the boundary. Can't see a big advantage for me. I'm interested in where the route flexibility pays dividends for you.
Some stations would sell a ticket to/from the boundary station even if you asked for the boundary zone ticket.

An example of route flexibility is Chatham to BZ6 where you can either go via Dartford or Swanley.
 

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Bedford is a good example.

A Zones 1-6 Travelcard plus Boundary Zone 6 to Bedford ticket is valid via the MML but it is also valid via Bletchley and the Marston Vale Line. A Zones 1-6 Travelcard plus a ticket from Elstree & Borehamwood (the last station in Zone 6 on the MML) to Bedford is only valid via the MML. It isn't be valid via Bletchley.

In most cases the additional flexibility isn't required but it can sometimes be useful. Also, if BZ tickets get removed then it'll mean a removal of flexibility for passengers.
 

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There are other anomalies where a ticket to a fixed station may be better than a boundary zone ticket. For instance, a holder of a Freedom Pass and a Senior Railcard travelling from Headcorn on a day return to London on the 09:15 weekday departure from Headcorn would pay £11.05 if a ticket to Knockholt was purchased (restriction C4), using the Freedom Pass For onward travel to London, but could not travel on this train with a Headcorn to Boundary Zone 6 ticket (restriction B1 - only valid after 09:29) although the fare is the same. Happy to be corrected if I have got this wrong.
 
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