Are you sure they’re different?
AIUI they are. The AWC 221s still have TASS whereas on XC 221s it is partially isolated and partially removed. . I believe the TMS is different versions so probably not able to operate in passenger service if at all. Also not sure where the two versions are with sanders.
I am really am not wanting to argue with you, but you made this statement One could unkindly describe GC as being a retirement home for old trains throughout their history! which in my interpretation is incorrect, although I think the 180s are beyond their sell by date and need a trip to the shredder. I won't disagree about the ex GC HST power cars, but they are still in service
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Any idea of why the move is restricted to 45mph? I'm that this is the unit that had a severe fault.Looks like the first 221(s) for GC will be moved from Barton under Needwood on Tuesday 20/06, 37 hauled as last time.
Realtime Trains | 7E18 0950 Barton Under Needwood Rsmd to Crofton Depot | 20/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 7E18 0950 departure from Barton Under Needwood Rsmd to Crofton Depot on 20/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
The tass wouldn’t be an issue, it’d just get permanently isolated.
From what I understand Central Rivers have done a lot of work to them so they will be in tip top condition. IMHO it is the 3rd party "haulier" who seem to insist on dragging perfectly serviceable trains behind a locomotive. Let us not forget that if the unit which was dragged to Worksop with the brakes on, had been driven instead of hauled, the damage to the wheels would not have happened. But that is of course a matter of the fleet owner to make.
It’s probably using an adapter coupler.
There has been a little mention on one of the railway fora but I cannot remember which one. ROG were selected to haul both 221s Central Rivers to Worksop separately, and I understand that after one of them was checked over it had bad flats on all wheels. There was talk of it having to have new wheels at Worksop before moving, but it was eventually moved back to Central Rivers as a class 8 movement, which in the olden days was timed for 35mph. As far as I am aware there wouldnm't have been a problem with the pair running in multi under their own power to Worksop.
The problem with moving them under their own power is it would require the driver to have traction knowledge for 221’s.
Would it be feasible to use a driver who does sign 221s, with a route conductor?
They could do but it’s easier and cheaper to drag it.
With brakes released!
A very prudent point…
Not with how ROG drags stuff no.
I recorded video but it’s too big to upload on here so I will post it as a TikTok and send the link.
I don't know if they are for certain; any reports don't mention reliverying as a definite rather they use 'rebranding'. (WNXX forum, Modern Railways magazine, Railway Magazine, a tweet from Grand Central etc).
Considering they’re due 8 more, I would imagine a repaint. Probably in the interests of Beacon Rail to get one done too - Crofton does have the facilities for it.
If I recall correctly, unbraked wagons with a brakevan was class 9. An 8 would have a brake head. In any case moving a train with brakes locked over any distance would be a huge no.
