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Class 230 stock to run fast charge batteries on GWR's Greenford West Ealing route late 2022

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Sure. Personally I didn't expect a 3 carriage train to fit at Greenford.

They're only 18m vehicles, so only 8m longer than a 2 car Turbo. Looks like it fits but not on all the platforms, hence the end doors being unused. In essence a cheapo version of the Merseyrail 777 which has an odd door position on the end vehicles so the back can hang off a short platform.
 
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Is there a possibility of the length of track the train can be over at Greenford/Ealing being reduced due to the battery charging stuff being installed?
Shouldn't have thought so, as the safety case for third/fourth rail charging is [somewhat] based on the train being in the way of the rails when energised.

Maybe the batteries need the space provided by an additional vehicle.
Aye. A trailer vehicle provides four additional 'rafts'.
 
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Interesting question. Are they going to continue with these 230s, now that Vivarail is entering administration? LNR have pretty much put the Marston Vale line 230s in dry dock due to lack of "necessary maintenance facilities".
 

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It's a pity they will run from Greenford only as far as West Ealing.

Had the branch still run to Ealing Broadway the 230s could have continued to Upminster and done a nostalgia trip back on the District Line. :lol:

Disclaimer: I know that buffers at Ealing Broadway would have rendered this impossible in practice.
 

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Vivarail in administration from 1 December 2022. Presumably everything on hold. https://vivarail.co.uk/vivarail-announces-administration/

As a local to Greenford Branch, very sad. TfL and Ealing Council bigged up the battery trains earlier in the year. Now all is silence, no evidence of battery charging installation. Ah well. Hopefully a bigger firm will pick up run with the technology.
 

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Now all is silence, no evidence of battery charging installation. Ah well. Hopefully a bigger firm will pick up run with the technology.
Some work is still being carried out with the charging prototype at Bletchley.
 

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Nothing is happening at Bletchley. The administrators have made all but 2 of the Vivarail staff redundant.
Last I heard, it was all but 30. That’s extremely disappointing to hear.
 

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Last I heard, it was all but 30. That’s extremely disappointing to hear.
There is a glimmer of hope for some of the Vivarail staff working on the fast-charge project, but technically yes they were all made redundant bar 2.
 

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Theres been a post over on wnxx that the dft/GWR have bought 230001.

Wonder if they bought the fast charging equipment.
 

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Theres been a post over on wnxx that the dft/GWR have bought 230001.

Wonder if they bought the fast charging equipment.
Yes, the DfT supported First Group/GWR to put in a successful bid to Grant Thornton (Vivarail administrators) to take on the fast charge project, including the rolling stock, IP, equipment etc. 14 of the Vivarail staff made redundant just before Xmas will be taken on by GWR, which can only be a good thing.

They better understand some extra carriages etc if they plan on getting more units to cover the other thames valley branches
It's just a trial so far, no guarantee that there will be a further expansion of 230 operations on GWR.
 

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Given that most of the D Stock will be sold off for scrap, I don’t think there’s much chance of any expansion at all.
 

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Given that most of the D Stock will be sold off for scrap, I don’t think there’s much chance of any expansion at all.
It's likely that some of the D stock will go for scrap, but don't rule anything out at present - discussions still ongoing. Even some of the vehicles that have been sold for scrap might get a reprive.
 

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It's likely that some of the D stock will go for scrap, but don't rule anything out at present - discussions still ongoing. Even some of the vehicles that have been sold for scrap might get a reprive.
Do we know how many vehicles went for scrap in the recent movements that were mentioned on this forum? Was it just a handful of the ones in worst condition - or did a lot more go that we don't know about yet?
 

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Given that most of the D Stock will be sold off for scrap, I don’t think there’s much chance of any expansion at all.
If the battery trial works, the technology doesn't have to be installed under a D stock train.
 

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If the battery trial works, the technology doesn't have to be installed under a D stock train.
This was indeed the intention, as we saw with the prospective Class 321 conversions.
 

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Yes, the DfT supported First Group/GWR to put in a successful bid to Grant Thornton (Vivarail administrators) to take on the fast charge project, including the rolling stock, IP, equipment etc. 14 of the Vivarail staff made redundant just before Xmas will be taken on by GWR, which can only be a good thing.


It's just a trial so far, no guarantee that there will be a further expansion of 230 operations on GWR.

Has anything been said about where it will be based & maintained?
 

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Has anything been said about where it will be based & maintained?
Been told Plasser works/sidings next to WE LMD could be where it would be based for storage and very light maintenance don't know where heavy if any at this rate would be considering the Vivarail situation, could come in house with GWR I guess as they/Dft want to buy the single unit/technology with it.
 

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Has anything been said about where it will be based & maintained?
Day to day stuff will be at West Ealing LMD, but for exams etc. Vivarail had an arrangement to use Willesden, so that's one option, with drivers hired in to do the move either way, rather than GWR drivers learning the route once they sign the traction. Rail Adventure (now they've taken over SLC Operations) are the obvious choice as they have drivers who already sign 230.

Reading TCD is obviously another option, but that would need the unit to be route cleared, and the necessary charging equipment installed, which will take both time and money so it might be quicker and more cost-effective to just stick with the arrangement at Willesden.

But nothing concrete as yet, just various options being considered. Plassers is off the cards though.
 

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Day to day stuff will be at West Ealing LMD, but for exams etc. Vivarail had an arrangement to use Willesden, so that's one option, with drivers hired in to do the move either way, rather than GWR drivers learning the route once they sign the traction. Rail Adventure (now they've taken over SLC Operations) are the obvious choice as they have drivers who already sign 230.

Reading TCD is obviously another option, but that would need the unit to be route cleared, and the necessary charging equipment installed, which will take both time and money so it might be quicker and more cost-effective to just stick with the arrangement at Willesden.

But nothing concrete as yet, just various options being considered. Plassers is off the cards though.

Fingers crossed for the first option then! :D
 

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Day to day stuff will be at West Ealing LMD, but for exams etc. Vivarail had an arrangement to use Willesden, so that's one option, with drivers hired in to do the move either way, rather than GWR drivers learning the route once they sign the traction. Rail Adventure (now they've taken over SLC Operations) are the obvious choice as they have drivers who already sign 230.

Reading TCD is obviously another option, but that would need the unit to be route cleared, and the necessary charging equipment installed, which will take both time and money so it might be quicker and more cost-effective to just stick with the arrangement at Willesden.

But nothing concrete as yet, just various options being considered. Plassers is off the cards though.
Is there any updates on where it will be based for repair work's?
 

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Does the train have a socket for a shore supply to charge it (in circumstances such as a depot where fast charge isn't needed and not available).
What is the scale of a fast charger - if the project was scaled up could a man in a battery filled van and a long cable rescue a drained unit (eg due to serious disruption on its service), or are you scrabbling around for someone who can couple up a train/loco to rescue it?
 

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Is there any updates on where it will be based for repair work's?
Nothing as yet, still being worked on.

Does the train have a socket for a shore supply to charge it (in circumstances such as a depot where fast charge isn't needed and not available).
What is the scale of a fast charger - if the project was scaled up could a man in a battery filled van and a long cable rescue a drained unit (eg due to serious disruption on its service), or are you scrabbling around for someone who can couple up a train/loco to rescue it?
It does have a shore supply socket, and there is a charger that can be used from the back of a van, but that would be trickle charge not fast charge. I doubt it would ever be feasible to fast charge from the back of a van due to the voltages involved. Having said that, the unit has been designed with redundancy in mind, with 3 batteries per DM vehicle but only 2 of those 3 being used at any time (1 powering each bogie), with the third as a 'spare' if the battery voltages drops too low. If the unit does ever require recovery, it's more likely to be due to something else (air burst for example) rather than flat batteries.
 
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Nothing as yet, still being worked on.


It does have a shore supply socket, and there is a charger that can be used from the back of a van, but that would be trickle charge not fast charge. I doubt it would ever be feasible to fast charge from the back of a van due to the voltages involved. Having said that, the unit has been designed with redundancy in mind, with 3 batteries per DM vehicle but only 2 of those 3 being used at any time (1 powering each bogie), with the third as a 'spare' if the battery voltages drops too low. If the unit does ever require recovery, it's more likely to be due to something else (air burst for example) rather than flat batteries.
A nuclear explosion seems a little overkill for rescuing the D Stock! :D
 

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I'd heard that the plan to use these had been scrapped, it was going around the business (GWR) at the time the class 769 cancellation was announced.
 
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