Class 317 withdrawals.

[delt1c]

I realise that but I think you’ve missed my point, which was made slightly tongue in cheek. A 317 is a decent quality 100mph EMU, a 142 is possibly the worst DMU to have ever operated on the network (except maybe the 141s but I was never subjected to one of those).

If pacers are the worst DMU’s why have they served the network so long? Sorry to see the 317’s go as commuted on them since there introduction

 

[DustyBin]

You seem to have missed off 'in my opinion' from this statement...….

Yes fair enough I should have added 'in my opinion' although objectively I think they're a good candidate....

If pacers are the worst DMU’s why have they served the network so long? Sorry to see the 317’s go as commuted on them since there introduction

I'd suggest because they are simple and reliable and the areas in which they operate have never been at the front of the queue when it comes to funding for new rolling stock. They have their positives but they're likely to be outlived by all other DMU's of the era and with good reason.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've travelled on a 317, they've been part of the scene literally for as long as I can remember but I've seldom had cause to actually get on one. When I have though they've seemed decent enough, in fact I'd go so far as to say they're quite nice units.

 

[bramling]

Yes fair enough I should have added 'in my opinion' although objectively I think they're a good candidate....



I'd suggest because they are simple and reliable and the areas in which they operate have never been at the front of the queue when it comes to funding for new rolling stock. They have their positives but they're likely to be outlived by all other DMU's of the era and with good reason.

I can count on one hand the number of times I've travelled on a 317, they've been part of the scene literally for as long as I can remember but I've seldom had cause to actually get on one. When I have though they've seemed decent enough, in fact I'd go so far as to say they're quite nice units.

Nothing really wrong with a 317 at all, and the 317/6 units refurbished by WAGN in the late 1990s were provided with a very nice interior indeed. Even those in original condition are quite acceptable as a commuter unit, though no doubt some will dislike the 3+2. The only other issue which some could have is that the motor car is quite rough riding and noisy, especially with windows open, but if that’s a problem then there’s three other carriages per unit to travel in.

From a reliability point of view the 317s are fairly average, and I’m not aware of them being particularly badly regarded by drivers. The single motor car setup could be problematic in autumn.

 

[D365]

I realise that but I think you’ve missed my point, which was made slightly tongue in cheek.

It’s hard to tell with some posts on here

I don’t think the 142s were awful, they were just used in non-ideal scenarios.

 

[Bikeman78]

Nothing really wrong with a 317 at all, and the 317/6 units refurbished by WAGN in the late 1990s were provided with a very nice interior indeed. Even those in original condition are quite acceptable as a commuter unit, though no doubt some will dislike the 3+2. The only other issue which some could have is that the motor car is quite rough riding and noisy, especially with windows open, but if that’s a problem then there’s three other carriages per unit to travel in.

From a reliability point of view the 317s are fairly average, and I’m not aware of them being particularly badly regarded by drivers. The single motor car setup could be problematic in autumn.

If you like motor noise try 317343. My seat of choice one of the pairs at the end of the motor car under the pantograph. As you say, the driving trailers are very quiet apart from the ring of the AWS bell if you sit right at the front.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I feel like Greater Anglia will be unable to withdraw further 317s, as there aren’t any 720s on the WAML (and won’t be for a long while as I understand it), and only thirty 379s which cannot cover all Cambridges, Hertfords and Stratford shuttles alone.

 

[Ewan M]

Looks like 317514 is now at Eastleigh Works for disposal. Not sure if it’s on its own or with another one

 

[Class455]

Looks like 317514 is now at Eastleigh Works for disposal. Not sure if it’s on its own or with another one

It went with 317653

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

My records suggest that
- all 317/3s
- all 317/5s except for 503/505/515
- and 649-651/654/658 plus 881-886
are the 317s still in service, along with the former London Overground /7s.

Have any of these been withdrawn since?

 

[317666]

No such thing as a 317/3 And it's 514 that's been withdrawn, not 515, but otherwise that ties in with my recent observations. Although I've not seen 651 or 654 up the Cambridge end of the line lately.

 

[Dave91131]

Photograph on another forum shows 317649 along with 2 other examples not from the 317/6 sub class on the "death row" siding between Harwich and Dovercourt.

Separately, can anybody advise what loco took 317514 + 317653 to Eastleigh and on what date?

Thanks.

 

[Bikeman78]

My records suggest that
- all 317/3s
- all 317/5s except for 503/505/515
- and 649-651/654/658 plus 881-886
are the 317s still in service, along with the former London Overground /7s.

Have any of these been withdrawn since?

317509 also gone. 317650/652/658 are the only phase 2 units left in service. With the service reductions next week it seems likely that these three will be withdrawn soon, but who knows.

 

[Ewan M]

Photograph on another forum shows 317649 along with 2 other examples not from the 317/6 sub class on the "death row" siding between Harwich and Dovercourt.

Separately, can anybody advise what loco took 317514 + 317653 to Eastleigh and on what date?

Thanks.

The move to Eastleigh was a ROG move so would have been one of their locomotives

 

[Jturner98]

Is there any update as to the status of the ex London Overground 317/8 units, and the demonstrator. Are these soon in line to be scrapped?

 

[3973EXL]

Photograph on another forum shows 317649 along with 2 other examples not from the 317/6 sub class on the "death row" siding between Harwich and Dovercourt.

Separately, can anybody advise what loco took 317514 + 317653 to Eastleigh and on what date?

Thanks.

5Q86 37884 21/01

 

[adrock1976]

Is there any update as to the status of the ex London Overground 317/8 units, and the demonstrator. Are these soon in line to be scrapped?

If you are referring to 317722 (which was the demonstrator), this one got scrapped recently after being out of service for a long time.

 

[Bikeman78]

If you are referring to 317722 (which was the demonstrator), this one got scrapped recently after being out of service for a long time.

Was 317722 scrapped at Ely?

 

[adrock1976]

Was 317722 scrapped at Ely?

I recall that it got dragged to Ely, but unsure if it was scrapped there.

 

[D365]

I feel like Greater Anglia will be unable to withdraw further 317s, as there aren’t any 720s on the WAML (and won’t be for a long while as I understand it), and only thirty 379s which cannot cover all Cambridges, Hertfords and Stratford shuttles alone.

I thought the idea behind retaining the 379s was to scrap the poorest condition 317s.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I thought the idea behind retaining the 379s was to scrap the poorest condition 317s.

and indeed they’ve already withdrawn around twenty five 317s. There are only thirty 379s.

 

[amwells]

Was 317722 scrapped at Ely?

I didn’t think any of those at Ely had been scrapped yet?

 

[jopsuk]

I feel like Greater Anglia will be unable to withdraw further 317s, as there aren’t any 720s on the WAML (and won’t be for a long while as I understand it), and only thirty 379s which cannot cover all Cambridges, Hertfords and Stratford shuttles alone.

Is there anyone here that has a definite answer as to how many 317s are required to supplement the 379s? I assume for now almost all the diagrams are 8-car with no splitting (STAR might be 4? I can't check)

 

[DB]

I recall that it got dragged to Ely, but unsure if it was scrapped there.

Don't think anything has been scrapped at Ely.

A number of 317s have gone to Eastleigh for scrapping but I don't know whether that was one of them.

 

[D365]

and indeed they’ve already withdrawn around twenty five 317s. There are only thirty 379s.

... so now we wait for the 720s.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

... so now we wait for the 720s.

Indeed, as I said

 

[D365]

Indeed, as I said

You didn't say it, but ok.

 

[Bikeman78]

Is there anyone here that has a definite answer as to how many 317s are required to supplement the 379s? I assume for now almost all the diagrams are 8-car with no splitting (STAR might be 4? I can't check)

I think the full timetable requires 28 diagrams formed in 14 pairs. This includes the pair that goes to Witham and Colchester. There are 27 PRM compliant units and the eight Stansted units, although only five of the latter are back in service so far. The reduced timetable starting tomorrow requires fewer units. However, until they know when the service will ramp back up and how quickly the 720s will be introduced, I think they will hang on to the 35 units.

 

[mic505]

I think the full timetable requires 28 diagrams formed in 14 pairs. This includes the pair that goes to Witham and Colchester. There are 27 PRM compliant units and the eight Stansted units, although only five of the latter are back in service so far. The reduced timetable starting tomorrow requires fewer units. However, until they know when the service will ramp back up and how quickly the 720s will be introduced, I think they will hang on to the 35 units.

Especially for the proposed platform extensions on the Hertford East branch to allow 2 x 5-car 720 operation.

 

[317666]

Can confirm 317658 is still alive and kicking on the back of the 05:31 Cambridge - Stratford this morning!

 

[47584Suffolk]

Photograph on another forum shows 317649 along with 2 other examples not from the 317/6 sub class on the "death row" siding between Harwich and Dovercourt.

Separately, can anybody advise what loco took 317514 + 317653 to Eastleigh and on what date?

Thanks.

37884 + 317514 + 317653 5Q86 15+03 Ilford to Eastleigh on 21/1.