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319446 has returned to storage at Wolverton following a year long loan spell at Northern
Any idea what’s in store for the future for it?
319446 has returned to storage at Wolverton following a year long loan spell at Northern
319372 and 319373 are still in service in the North West.319446 has returned to storage at Wolverton following a year long loan spell at Northern
May be wrong but Wasnt 446 one of the Tfw or GWR bound 769sAny idea what’s in store for the future for it?
319426 was bound for TfW. That said, 3 other 319/4s are supposedly bound for TfW...could 446 be one of them?May be wrong but Wasnt 446 one of the Tfw or GWR bound 769s
Ah ok. Probably got mixed up with that one.319426 was bound for TfW. That said, 3 other 319/4s are supposedly bound for TfW...could 446 be one of them?
Thanks for posting this! I will update the relevant information into the page 1 list a bit later onSo, a list of each 319 and its conversion, location, fate etc.
319/0s & 769/0s
319/2s - all PRMed, all in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath.
- 319001 - at Long Marston, now HydroFLEX prototype 799001. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319002 - converted to 769002, at Cardiff Canton with TfW. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319003 - to be converted to 769003 (for TfW), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319004 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319005 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319006 - to be converted to 769006 (for TfW), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319007 - to be converted to 769007 (for TfW), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319008 - converted to 769008, at Cardiff Canton with TfW. Now in TfW livery. PRMed.
- 319009 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319010 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319011 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319012 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319013 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
319/4s, 769/4s & 769/9s
319/3s - all in service with Northern (alloxed to Allerton). To be off-leased and replaced by Class 323s by December 2021
- 319421 - possibly to be converted to 769421 (for TfW), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319422 - to be converted to 769922 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319423 - to be converted to 769923 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319424 - converted into 769424 (for Northern), currently at Doncaster Works. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319425 - to be converted to 769925 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319426 - to be converted to 769426 (for TfW), at Brush L'boro'. Still in Northern livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319427 - to be converted to 769927 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319428 - to be converted to 769928 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319429 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319430 - to be converted to 769930 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319431 - converted into 769431 (for Northern), currently at Doncaster Works. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319432 - to be converted to 769932 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319433 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319434 - converted into 769434 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319435 - to be converted to 769935 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319436 - to be converted to 769936 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319437 - to be converted to 769937 (for GWR), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319438 - to be converted to 769938 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319439 - to be converted to 769939 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319440 - to be converted to 769940 (for GWR), currently at Reading for GWR crew training. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319441 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319442 - converted into 769442 (for Northern), currently at Allerton for Northern crew training. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319443 - to be converted to 769943 (for GWR), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319444 - possibly to be converted to 769444 (for TfW), at LORAM Derby (RTC). Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319445 - to be converted to 769945 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319446 - at Wolverton Works after short-term loan to Northern; future unknown. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319447 - to be converted to 769947 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319448 - converted into 769448 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319449 - to be converted to 769949 (for GWR), currently at Reading for GWR crew training. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319450 - converted into 769450 (for Northern), currently at Allerton for Northern crew training. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319451 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in FCC livery. Not PRMed.
- 319452 - to be converted to 769952 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319453 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in FCC livery. Not PRMed.
- 319454 - at Long Marston, converted into Porterbrook's "Innovation Hub". Seems unlikely to run again in service. Not PRMed.
- 319455 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in FCC livery. Not PRMed.
- 319456 - converted into 769456 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319457 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319458 - converted into 769458 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319459 - to be converted to 769959 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319460 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- Note - 319372 (PRMed) and 319373 (Not PRMed) are temporarily on hire to Northern to cover for 769s.
So, a list of each 319 and its conversion, location, fate etc.
319/0s & 769/0s
319/2s - all PRMed, all in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath.
- 319001 - at Long Marston, now HydroFLEX prototype 799001. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319002 - converted to 769002, at Cardiff Canton with TfW. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319003 - to be converted to 769003 (for TfW), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319004 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319005 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319006 - to be converted to 769006 (for TfW), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319007 - to be converted to 769007 (for TfW), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319008 - converted to 769008, at Cardiff Canton with TfW. Now in TfW livery. PRMed.
- 319009 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319010 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319011 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in TL livery. Not PRMed.
- 319012 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319013 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
319/4s, 769/4s & 769/9s
319/3s - all in service with Northern (alloxed to Allerton). To be off-leased and replaced by Class 323s by December 2021
- 319421 - possibly to be converted to 769421 (for TfW), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319422 - to be converted to 769922 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319423 - to be converted to 769923 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319424 - converted into 769424 (for Northern), currently at Doncaster Works. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319425 - to be converted to 769925 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319426 - to be converted to 769426 (for TfW), at Brush L'boro'. Still in Northern livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319427 - to be converted to 769927 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319428 - to be converted to 769928 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319429 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319430 - to be converted to 769930 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319431 - converted into 769431 (for Northern), currently at Doncaster Works. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319432 - to be converted to 769932 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319433 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319434 - converted into 769434 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319435 - to be converted to 769935 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319436 - to be converted to 769936 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319437 - to be converted to 769937 (for GWR), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319438 - to be converted to 769938 (for GWR), at Long Marston. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319439 - to be converted to 769939 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319440 - to be converted to 769940 (for GWR), currently at Reading for GWR crew training. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319441 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319442 - converted into 769442 (for Northern), currently at Allerton for Northern crew training. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319443 - to be converted to 769943 (for GWR), at Brush L'boro'. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319444 - possibly to be converted to 769444 (for TfW), at LORAM Derby (RTC). Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319445 - to be converted to 769945 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319446 - at Wolverton Works after short-term loan to Northern; future unknown. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319447 - to be converted to 769947 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319448 - converted into 769448 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319449 - to be converted to 769949 (for GWR), currently at Reading for GWR crew training. Still in TL livery. PRMed.
- 319450 - converted into 769450 (for Northern), currently at Allerton for Northern crew training. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319451 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in FCC livery. Not PRMed.
- 319452 - to be converted to 769952 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319453 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in FCC livery. Not PRMed.
- 319454 - at Long Marston, converted into Porterbrook's "Innovation Hub". Seems unlikely to run again in service. Not PRMed.
- 319455 - at Long Marston, future unknown. Still in FCC livery. Not PRMed.
- 319456 - converted into 769456 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319457 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- 319458 - converted into 769458 (for Northern), currently at Brush L'boro'. In Northern livery. PRMed.
- 319459 - to be converted to 769959 (for GWR), at Wolverton Works. Still in TL livery AFAIK. PRMed.
- 319460 - in service with LNWR, alloxed to Northampton Kings Heath. In LM livery. PRMed.
- Note - 319372 (PRMed) and 319373 (Not PRMed) are temporarily on hire to Northern to cover for 769s.
Not at the moment, but there are a few still in storage that are essentially unusable as a result of never having received PRM modifications that will probably be scrapped eventually.Is there any plans for 319’s getting scrapped
Wonder why Northern have sent these two off lease when they still have 319372 and 319373 (the latter of which is non PRM compliant) in service. These were only refurbished last year too which is why sending 319365 and 366 off lease make absolutely no sense319365 has gone to Long Marston.
Richard Clinnick reports this and 319366 are for Rail Operations Group.
I was thinking the same thing too, 365/366 would be much better kept on in the franchise for the longer term (unless there's not enough space for them at Allerton with the influx of 331s).Wonder why Northern have sent these two off lease when they still have 319372 and 319373 (the latter of which is non PRM compliant) in service. These were only refurbished last year too which is why sending 319365 and 366 off lease make absolutely no sense
Northern will eventually be returning all the 319/3s, under its deal with Porterbrook to lease 34x323s instead. Perhaps it was Porterbrook's choice as to the best examples to go to ROG?Wonder why Northern have sent these two off lease when they still have 319372 and 319373 (the latter of which is non PRM compliant) in service. These were only refurbished last year too which is why sending 319365 and 366 off lease make absolutely no sense
Northern will eventually be returning all the 319/3s, under its deal with Porterbrook to lease 34x323s instead. Perhaps it was Porterbrook's choice as to the best examples to go to ROG?
Turns out none of these moves ranthere's a couple of movements this week between allerton and long marston, more 319s for storage?;
Tuesday;
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05089/2019-11-12/detailed
Wednesday;
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K05089/2019-11-13/detailed
Any idea why Northern have started to get rid of their 319's en masse? They were only meant to be going when the West Midlands Trains Class 323's moved over weren't they?Seen on flickr, it looks like 319363 and 319374 have been sent to Long Marston from Allerton yesterday (37800 dragged them).
they're being replaced by the 331s, the WMT 323s will not move to northern until they get the 730s.Any idea why Northern have started to get rid of their 319's en masse? They were only meant to be going when the West Midlands Trains Class 323's moved over weren't they?
Any idea why Northern have started to get rid of their 319's en masse? They were only meant to be going when the West Midlands Trains Class 323's moved over weren't they?
Ahh yeah, for some reason I was thinking they wouldn't begin to be retired until the WMT 323's arriveThey are now keeping their 323s, so they are offloading some 319s instead.
I'm quite surprised 319372 and 373 have not been sent off lease yet especially given that they're still in Thameslink livery and 319373 is not PRM compliant!319371 is now debranded, most likely the next one to head down to Long Marston.