Class 365 scrap movements + preservation discussion

[yorkie]

Just a gentle reminder that this is a Traction & Rolling Stock thread to discuss updates regarding the Class 365 withdrawals

If anyone wishes to discuss any other topic, even if it is related to Class 365s, please create a new thread (you are welcome to post a link to any such thread from this one), many thanks

 

[typetwos]

57310 taking 365501+365511 on their last trip on 5Q99 09:58 CREWE SYD to RHAM MAS 30/09/21

 

[warwickshire]

57310 taking 365501+365511 on their last trip on 5Q99 09:58 CREWE SYD to RHAM MAS 30/09/21

Running around 80 late derby.
Sad to see them go.
Also still happy in final moments off life with the smiley faces.
Unaware off the next few days.
However 365511 was only very recently in service ie earlier on this year.
Unlike 365501.
However 365501 was the first off the fleet.

 

[richardcoughla]

57310 taking 365501+365511 on their last trip on 5Q99 09:58 CREWE SYD to RHAM MAS 30/09/21

https://twitter.com/AndyRCowell/status/1443557587941793799?s=19

What a waste

 

[Royston Vasey]

https://twitter.com/AndyRCowell/status/1443557587941793799?s=19

What a waste

I don't get sentimental about vehicles being recycled, but yeah, that one made me sad

 

[adc82140]

Looking at the video linked above, am I imagining it or have the pantographs been removed?

 

[Fuzzytop]

A great shame indeed.

Looking at the video linked above, am I imagining it or have the pantographs been removed?

I can see them at 00:47 and 01:01. I would have been surprised if they'd been removed - I thought even the medium-term stored sets had been panned up to keep them serviceable.

 

[adc82140]

A great shame indeed.


I can see them at 00:47 and 01:01. I would have been surprised if they'd been removed - I thought even the medium-term stored sets had been panned up to keep them serviceable.

Thanks. Must be the crummy quality screen on my phone.

 

[Fuzzytop]

This looks like it might be a further scrap move - looks like some 365s stored at Crewe have an appointment with the shredder at Newport on Tuesday.

Realtime Trains - 520V 0843 Crewe South Yard to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

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[Fuzzytop]

back to scrap, here's a depressing scene from Booths, 365501 and 365511 awaiting their fate while Mk4s join the pile of rubble in the distance:

https://twitter.com/Rail_Photter/status/1444046269329117196/photo/1

 

[warwickshire]

This looks like it might be a further scrap move - looks like some 365s stored at Crewe have an appointment with the shredder at Newport on Tuesday.

Realtime Trains - 520V 0843 Crewe South Yard to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

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Can someone assist further please.
I thought that all types off emu movements was banned between via the lifford line between kings Norton and Saltely.
Hence the recent 350 via Birmingham new Street and 319 around Soho in the past. And tfw 769 by road.
Does the restriction in this area permit class 365 through.?.

 

[typetwos]

57312 taking 365505+365537 on their last trip on 5Q76 08:43 CREWE SYD to NEWPORTDK 05/10/21

 

[D365]

Wonder how long before Wikipedia will be updated as such.

 

[The_Train]

Not my best efforts at recording (I called in on my running route and so my body was going from very hot to very cold at this point thanks to the heavens opening ) but here are 505/537 passing Stafford - running slightly late - with 57312 at the helm

 

[swt_passenger]

Wonder how long before Wikipedia will be updated as such.

It doesn’t necessarily need updating on a day by day basis, it isn’t meant as a diary.
Remember all the edits and reversions on the HEX 332 page, because a recorded RTT move to Newport Docks wasn’t considered evidence…

 

[The_Train]

All updated at https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/360-379

 

[D365]

All updated at https://www.ukraillog.co.uk/360-379

526 not scrapped?!

 

[The_Train]

526 not scrapped?!

I've not been able to find any information to suggest that the remaining coach - 65919 - has been scrapped. The only info I have been able to ascertain is that it was at Wolverton?!?

 

[3973EXL]

STP 07/10

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0841 Crewe South Yard to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

 

[brad465]

Not my best efforts at recording (I called in on my running route and so my body was going from very hot to very cold at this point thanks to the heavens opening ) but here are 505/537 passing Stafford - running slightly late - with 57312 at the helm

I like how one of the rear lights got a final illumination for the journey.

 

[dereksingh291]

Why are the 365s being scrapped they’re not even that old but also why are the mk4s being scrapped too if anyone doesn’t mind me asking?

 

[bramling]

Why are the 365s being scrapped they’re not even that old but also why are the mk4s being scrapped too if anyone doesn’t mind me asking?

In the case of the 365s, they were really simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. The combination of Covid timetable reductions and the reduction of the Gatwick Express service meant there were some spare 387/2s available, which allowed the remaining 365 diagrams to be covered. Meanwhile over-ordering of new EMUs in recent years combined with few electrification schemes has meant there is a lack of work for EMUs in general.

I have heard it said there’s a little more to it, specifically that the leasing cost for these units had been excessively high. I’ve no idea of the authenticity of this, however it would explain why GTR seem to have been rather keen to get rid of them, whilst still retaining two very much older fleets running south of the river.

As for the Mk4s, similar reasons in that a lot of new trains have been ordered. In this case it’s a little different, as a conscious decision had been made to replace the East Coast high speed fleet, so they have essentially been subject to a straightforward fleet replacement. By contrast the 365 story is much more complex.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

In the case of the 365s, they were really simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. The combination of Covid timetable reductions and the reduction of the Gatwick Express service meant there were some spare 387/2s available, which allowed the remaining 365 diagrams to be covered. Meanwhile over-ordering of new EMUs in recent years combined with few electrification schemes has meant there is a lack of work for EMUs in general.

I have heard it said there’s a little more to it, specifically that the leasing cost for these units had been excessively high. I’ve no idea of the authenticity of this, however it would explain why GTR seem to have been rather keen to get rid of them, whilst still retaining two very much older fleets running south of the river.

As for the Mk4s, similar reasons in that a lot of new trains have been ordered. In this case it’s a little different, as a conscious decision had been made to replace the East Coast high speed fleet, so they have essentially been subject to a straightforward fleet replacement. By contrast the 365 story is much more complex.

All relevant but in the case of the 365's leaving them parked up with the pans up costs diddly squat and they would have been readily available if traffic picks up but maybe the leasing company is under pressure to get them out of Crewe.

 

[warwickshire]

All relevant but in the case of the 365's leaving them parked up with the pans up costs diddly squat and they would have been readily available if traffic picks up but maybe the leasing company is under pressure to get them out of Crewe.

Also around 10 off them at crewe haven't been in revenue earning service since around 2017 to 2018.
When they finally got replaced by 387 which in turn got replaced by 700 on the Bedford line.
However around the other half ie 10 off them did survive for a year on lease to scotrail.
But they themselves haven't been used since March 2019.
Yes sadly the crewe ones could well be making for a fast exit from there.
Shame they couldn't have actually stayed in Scotland.
Or even stayed put on gtr.

 

[Mamorin]

All relevant but in the case of the 365's leaving them parked up with the pans up costs diddly squat and they would have been readily available if traffic picks up but maybe the leasing company is under pressure to get them out of Crewe.

Given that Thursday’s scrap move will be the 2nd one from of Crewe this week, It seems certain that the leasing company is under pressure to scrap the crewe sets.

Makes sence when Crewe is where ether some of the 350/2s or 379s will end up being stored when they come off lease next year.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Makes sence when Crewe is where ether some of the 350/2s or 379s will end up being stored when they come off lease next year.

Lets hope that common sense prevails and they don't end up following them to Wales in a few years as well!!!

 

[hwl]

Given that Thursday’s scrap move will be the 2nd one from of Crewe this week, It seems certain that the leasing company is under pressure to scrap the crewe sets.

Makes sence when Crewe is where ether some of the 350/2s or 379s will end up being stored when they come off lease next year.

The original purchase contract had various clauses that would force DfT to purchase them from the ROSCO e.g. if they weren't being leased which was exercised in August 2019 so this is DfT rather than Eversholt making the decision.

 

[Mamorin]

Lets hope that common sense prevails and they don't end up following them to Wales in a few years as well!!!

350/2s and 379s are very young they won’t be scrapped any time soon.

The original purchase contract had various clauses that would force DfT to purchase them from the ROSCO e.g. if they weren't being leased which was exercised in August 2019 so this is DfT rather than Eversholt making the decision.

Eversholt got the 365s back earlier this year, so it is Eversholt making the decision not the DFT.

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[Nicholas Lewis]

350/2s and 379s are very young they won’t be scrapped any time soon.

Lets hope not but who would have thought ditching 26 year old perfectly serviceable rolling stock would happen.

Without a coherent national rolling stock strategy anything's possible

 

[Mamorin]

Lets hope not but who would have thought ditching 26 year old perfectly serviceable rolling stock would happen.

Without a coherent national rolling stock strategy anything's possible

True without a coherent rolling stock strategy anything could happen.

We will just have to wait and see if we get one. Putting up some more wires would also help pevent this happening to the 350/s and 379s in the future.