Class 377 light refresh

[paul1609]

There seems to be a perennial question of which is preferable: standing in the aisle, or sitting in a seat crammed in between two other passengers.

I'm honestly not sure what the outcome would be if passengers were surveyed on this.

I was on the 1632 Brighton to Southampton service today the train was standing out as far as West Worthing. The majority of the central seats were taken.

 

[physics34]

The updated pis and those screens at the end of each coach are uninspiring...especially if u see what the swiss have got (yes im a bit pro-swiss).

 

[FOH]

The ones on LNWR 350s are quite good as you approach Euston showing the next set of departures

 

[Chiltern006]

they could’ve painted the yellow grabrails on the older 377s to match the newer ones. in my opinion it’s much nicer.

also when they announced screens i was expecting 700-esque ones i won’t lie!!

 

[Class455]

The updated pis and those screens at the end of each coach are uninspiring...especially if u see what the swiss have got (yes im a bit pro-swiss).

I would agree, though I’m sure their purpose was to display real time information along with the status of TfL/other GTR services and connecting services, so not sure why they only display adverts currently? Northern are just as bad with their recent digital train upgrades on Neville Hill trains, surely those screens can do more than show adverts.

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Just noticed 377465 is one of the few 377/4’s yet to have it’s project Aurora upgrade

 

[py_megapixel]

I would agree, though I’m sure their purpose was to display real time information along with the status of TfL/other GTR services and connecting services, so not sure why they only display adverts currently? Northern are just as bad with their recent digital train upgrades on Neville Hill trains, surely those screens can do more than show adverts.

Some of the Northern ones don't even show adverts, they just show a small digital clock in the bottom right hand corner. Furthermore, on 2 units I've been on lately, this clock has been completely wrong... in contrast, the ones on the Civity trains are quite good.

Back to GTR, I do agree that it seems like a wasted opportunity to fit these screens and then use them for the same role that could be fulfilled by a piece of paper - if that's what they're doing.

For what it's worth, I think the class 710 Aventras (London Overground) have screens fitted above the windows (where advertising posters would normally go on a Tube train, say) specifically to show adverts - so maybe LCD screens have actually become efficient enough that using them for this works out cheaper than people manually changing the posters?

 

[Class455]

Passed Selhurst Depot this afternoon and saw a fresh looking 377471 outside the depot. Looks like it’s just been given the project Aurora mods. Meanwhile 387101 is completed for GN

 

[physics34]

All the aurora units seem to have various issues with the PIS. Some announce too slow and the display on the front is dimmed on some units to name but two.

 

[PGAT]

Will the 377/6 and /7s get refurbishment in terms of announcements and PIS screens or are they off the table?

 

[Class 466]

Will the 377/6 and /7s get refurbishment in terms of announcements and PIS screens or are they off the table?

They don’t need the new internal PIS screens but will get the digital displays, USB plugs and upgraded lighting.

 

[387star]

The new TV screens are awful constantly flashing at night. Apparently 'We're with you' is essential reading

 

[PGAT]

The new TV screens are awful constantly flashing at night. Apparently 'We're with you' is essential reading

I was on 377416 earlier today and all the screens in my carriage weren't switched on at all.

 

[Chiltern006]

the screens just do the same role as the paper posters they originally replaced. it’s a shame they haven’t got journey details. maybe when they are all done

 

[PGAT]

the screens just do the same role as the paper posters they originally replaced. it’s a shame they haven’t got journey details. maybe when they are all done

I believe they will be adding journey information, such as the next stations, seat availability, toilet vacancy basically all the stuff they have on the 700s. Would seem like a huge waste of money to add new screens if they don't do anything.

 

[physics34]

The new TV screens are awful constantly flashing at night. Apparently 'We're with you' is essential reading

"Were with you to give u a migrane".
Yep agree, they flash when they change. Awful.
ANOTHER Lack of attention to detail thing on our railways. Amateurish.

 

[Class455]

I believe they will be adding journey information, such as the next stations, seat availability, toilet vacancy basically all the stuff they have on the 700s. Would seem like a huge waste of money to add new screens if they don't do anything.

I'm sure they will be in good time, perhaps when the whole fleet is done?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Moving onto /1s now. I travelled on 377112 on Thursday with plugs.

Thank you for the information. Do you know if they have been brought up to the same standard as the later /1s, /2s, /4s and /5s?
I.E: The ugly Connex beige walls painted light blue, gaudy dark blue lower panels painted, etc.
I assume the seat layout is still the same.

 

[JonathanH]

Thank you for the information. Do you know if they have been brought up to the same standard as the later /1s, /2s, /4s and /5s?
I.E: The ugly Connex beige walls painted light blue, gaudy dark blue lower panels painted, etc.
I assume the seat layout is still the same.

No change apart from plugs and information displays - still had blue lower panels and beige walls.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

No change apart from plugs and information displays - still had blue lower panels and beige walls.

How very disappointing.
Did the font change on the PIS as per /4, only because the new text is very large, and the early /1s have a smaller, thinner PIS.

 

[387star]

No change apart from plugs and information displays - still had blue lower panels and beige walls.

They really aren't bad
377s are LUXURIOUS compared with god awful turbos

 

[aleggatta]

How very disappointing.
Did the font change on the PIS as per /4, only because the new text is very large, and the early /1s have a smaller, thinner PIS.

The only difference is the display housing, the actual displays were all the same parts and interchangeable, until the upgrade programme came along. I think the only difference between the generations of electrostatic now is the destination display, which was one line on first gen and two lines on second gen(387)

 

[387star]

I'm on a 12 car set formed of a /4 and two /1s one of which is 118

All fully refurbished

 

[PGAT]

I think 377103, 106, 108, 112 and 118 are all refurbished now

 

[Class455]

I think 377103, 106, 108, 112 and 118 are all refurbished now

111 is also done

 

[PGAT]

Just saw refurbished 377102 on 1H26

 

[YSTrains]

Why didnt they start with the 377/2s? There is only 15 of them.

 

[py_megapixel]

Why didnt they start with the 377/2s? There is only 15 of them.

Not sure I quite follow this. Is there some operational reason why it's desirable to have a whole sub-class done?

 

[PGAT]

377/1s and 377/4s are the most abundant on the network so refurbishing them first means more passengers get the benefits sooner.

From an operational perspective it’s probably easier to keep track of stuff when one sub class is being refurbished at a time.

 

[FOH]

There are also a few differences too. Eg toilets, partitions, luggage racks. Probably easier to adjust the work for the slight differences and do them all before adjusting again.

 

[K.o.R]

I was on a 377/1 that had been done (new low-level light by the coupler) but had not had its front lights revised (still had headlight/marker light/tail light rather than headlight/combined marker & tail light), which is interesting when there are 377/1s with both configurations.