Class 387

[leomartin125]

http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2693609&postcount=3733

Do update us with which ones are working if you go for them.

Are 387135 and 387137 out yet?

In answer to everyone's questions, I have checked Genius which states today GWR used the following 387's:

387130
387132
387133
387136

Meaning that the following 387's were in North Pole IEP Depot for the day:

387131
387134
387135
387137

 

[Class 170101]

I've been told that the new timetable won't actually be coming in until January.

Real Time Trains shows all trains as STP new schedules until January.

I'm not sure I said the date as I don't know but final plan is 2x 12 387 for each peak. Between the peaks they will rest at the depot.

Peaks only and no weekend working

I've just seen a video of the C2C 387's being tested near Three Bridges.

Does anyone know why they've bothered to fit shoe-gear on these? Is it purely for the test runs or will it remain?

Thanks.

Given that these units are only temporary bread before the main meal is served, I bet you some cents that the shoe gears will remain.

They're only with c2c temporarily, when they go back to the ROSCO in a couple of years time I'm sure them being DC-ready/equipped will be much more saleable than DC capable if you pay/wait for shoegear to be fitted.

I see, I had no idea that they weren't going to be with C2C very long as the 357's have been there a while. Is a full fleet replacement looking likely in the foreseeable? or is it case of the 387's standing in whilst other 357's undergo maintenance and repair?

387s are for extra capacity needed pretty much immediately. I would think the DC shoegear would be removed and stored unless the ballast height has been checked and that it can accommodate the 387s with the shoegear still attached otherwise there could be bits of shoegear left lying around the track.

 

[D365]

387s are for extra capacity needed pretty much immediately. I would think the DC shoegear would be removed and stored unless the ballast height has been checked and that it can accommodate the 387s with the shoegear still attached otherwise there could be bits of shoegear left lying around the track.

Electrostar shoegear is retractable.

 

[leomartin125]

The GWR 387's (Specifically 387137 & 387132) suffered DOO door issues today whilst operating some of the H&H shuttles, which doesn't bode well considering they are so young! Lets just hope these teething issues are ironed out.

 

[Nippy]

As far as I'm aware that's the first in service failure we've had of these. The door CCTV system failed.

 

[Class377/5]

The GWR 387's (Specifically 387137 & 387132) suffered DOO door issues today whilst operating some of the H&H shuttles, which doesn't bode well considering they are so young! Lets just hope these teething issues are ironed out.

DOO door issues? They are separate systems and not particular connected either expect via a driver. Do you means it has DOO camera issues or door trouble? Either is to be expected as everything has faults.

 

[leomartin125]

DOO door issues? They are separate systems and not particular connected either expect via a driver. Do you means it has DOO camera issues or door trouble? Either is to be expected as everything has faults.

I was reading it from Tyrell which stated that two units (387137 & 387132) suffered DOO issues at Hayes & Harlington yesterday cancelling the service. Not sure what it meant but that's all it stated.

 

[RobShipway]

The GWR 387's (Specifically 387137 & 387132) suffered DOO door issues today whilst operating some of the H&H shuttles, which doesn't bode well considering they are so young! Lets just hope these teething issues are ironed out.

As class 377/5 says everything has faults and you are going to expect a few teething issues with the class 387's being used on the GWML as they have not had much if any experience of running Electrostar trains, other than the last few months since starting the service in September. Wheres the BML has had years of experience of using Electrostar trains and I am sure if you where to ask the Southern staff that were around at the time that the class 375's now 377/3's where introduced they will tell you that they had similar teething troubles.

 

[Nippy]

I was reading it from Tyrell which stated that two units (387137 & 387132) suffered DOO issues at Hayes & Harlington yesterday cancelling the service. Not sure what it meant but that's all it stated.

I've given the answer two posts above your post.

 

[cactustwirly]

As class 377/5 says everything has faults and you are going to expect a few teething issues with the class 387's being used on the GWML as they have not had much if any experience of running Electrostar trains, other than the last few months since starting the service in September. Wheres the BML has had years of experience of using Electrostar trains and I am sure if you where to ask the Southern staff that were around at the time that the class 375's now 377/3's where introduced they will tell you that they had similar teething troubles.

I think the whole point of the H&H shuttles is to iron out teething issues, where faults have a limited effect.

 

[RobShipway]

I think the whole point of the H&H shuttles is to iron out teething issues, where faults have a limited effect.

True, I would suspect the same as well. It is also a way for the passengers to get use to them as well as the staff, so that when the full electrification is complete to Reading/Didcot it will not be so much of a shock for both.

In many ways it reminds me of when Virgin had the Cross Country franchise and introduced the class 220 & 221 trains just to go between Reading and Birmingham New Street.

 

[43074]

I think the whole point of the H&H shuttles is to iron out teething issues, where faults have a limited effect.

Well I'm not sure a 387 failing between H&H and Paddington in the start of the morning peak would have a ''limited effect'' - it would cause significant disruption to say the least. The 387s are a tried & tested design so I'm not sure that really applies so much in this case, granted they're a new design to GWR but the speed at which they were introduced in the first place suggests GWR are reasonably confident with introducing them.

They've been introduced between H&H and Paddington to provide additional capacity where it's needed before the wires go live beyond H&H, and with that a more comprehensive electric service can be introduced.

 

[Class377/5]

I was reading it from Tyrell which stated that two units (387137 & 387132) suffered DOO issues at Hayes & Harlington yesterday cancelling the service. Not sure what it meant but that's all it stated.

ah so it was a camera issue not the doors then. DOO aka Driver Only Operation faults means there's an issue with the cameras over seeing the coach. Door faults are a completely different thing. Hopefully that's explained it well enough (as some posts seem confused to what they are actually stating).

 

[JN114]

The Tyrell message made no mention of doors (I wrote it!), its just our Maidenhead correspondent extrapolating information that isn't there.

Nippy has succinctly explained exactly what the issue was, and him and his colleagues are correct this is the first time such a fault has presented itself on a GWR unit. As for it "not boding well" - it all sounds like hyperbole to me. New trains will present faults from time to time. Given in 2 months there have been exactly 2 failures of 387 units that have caused delay or cancellation, I don't think there's much to worry about.

 

[Class377/5]

The Tyrell message made no mention of doors (I wrote it!), its just our Maidenhead correspondent extrapolating information that isn't there.

Nippy has succinctly explained exactly what the issue was, and him and his colleagues are correct this is the first time such a fault has presented itself on a GWR unit. As for it "not boding well" - it all sounds like hyperbole to me. New trains will present faults from time to time. Given in 2 months there have been exactly 2 failures of 387 units that have caused delay or cancellation, I don't think there's much to worry about.

indeed. Was a complete failure or was it fixed on site?

 

[Nippy]

I'm loving these things, they are quick off the mark move a lot more people than we can at present. The only thing I'm not keen about is getting them off NPI in the evening peak into platform 12 at Padd!

 

[leomartin125]

The Tyrell message made no mention of doors (I wrote it!), its just our Maidenhead correspondent extrapolating information that isn't there.

Nippy has succinctly explained exactly what the issue was, and him and his colleagues are correct this is the first time such a fault has presented itself on a GWR unit. As for it "not boding well" - it all sounds like hyperbole to me. New trains will present faults from time to time. Given in 2 months there have been exactly 2 failures of 387 units that have caused delay or cancellation, I don't think there's much to worry about.

Something like that. I was simply stating what I read, nothing more. No need to start looking down at people for it. And like I said, I knew these shuttles are there to make sure the full entry into service is as smooth as possible next year. Faults like these can and will occur on new units, that's what the testing is there for. I hope we can case close this now, thanks for your answer Nippy.

I went on a GWR 387 today between PAD and HAY and it was perfect, no issues at all. I have absolutely no doubt these 387's will go on to improve GWR services next year.

I would just like to ask if the all day running of the 387's from January 2017, does this include weekends? Or will it be SSuX?

 

[JN114]

indeed. Was a complete failure or was it fixed on site?

Per Safety Management system train couldn't enter passenger service with DOO fault. So passengers that had got on were turfed off at Hayes and it ran empties to Paddington. 132 was back in traffic today, 137 spent the day on the naughty step at North Pole. Our train fault system was playing up today so between that and disruption wasn't able to poke around any more into whether it's fixed etc...

I'm loving these things, they are quick off the mark move a lot more people than we can at present. The only thing I'm not keen about is getting them off NPI in the evening peak into platform 12 at Padd!

Will be much easier once West Ealing is up and running. Were you on today Nippy? Looked like some struggles going back on causing congestion but TRC didn't know what was up.

Something like that. I was simply stating what I read, nothing more. No need to start looking down at people for it. And like I said, I knew these shuttles are there to make sure the full entry into service is as smooth as possible next year. Faults like these can and will occur on new units, that's what the testing is there for. I hope we can case close this now, thanks for your answer Nippy.

I went on a GWR 387 today between PAD and HAY and it was perfect, no issues at all. I have absolutely no doubt these 387's will go on to improve GWR services next year.

I would just like to ask if the all day running of the 387's from January 2017, does this include weekends? Or will it be SSuX?

Sorry Leo I wasn't trying to talk down to you, my comment was intended more tongue in cheek than you've apparently read.

The Hayes shuttles will be weekdays only in January.

 

[reddragon]

Yesterday I saw an 8-car class 387 arriving at Paddington. It was well loaded end to end and gave the barriers a real shock! It made my HST arrival look tame in comparison. No way would they have fitted onto a 2-car turbo.

Also, Reading depot is now wired up to all tracks west via the UPL and Tilehurst junction. Earthing straps are still in place but, it looks ready for its first class 387.

 

[leomartin125]

Per Safety Management system train couldn't enter passenger service with DOO fault. So passengers that had got on were turfed off at Hayes and it ran empties to Paddington. 132 was back in traffic today, 137 spent the day on the naughty step at North Pole. Our train fault system was playing up today so between that and disruption wasn't able to poke around any more into whether it's fixed etc...




Will be much easier once West Ealing is up and running. Were you on today Nippy? Looked like some struggles going back on causing congestion but TRC didn't know what was up.



Sorry Leo I wasn't trying to talk down to you, my comment was intended more tongue in cheek than you've apparently read.

The Hayes shuttles will be weekdays only in January.

I understand. And oh, that's sad to hear. I like the 387's, just have to rely on rest days during the week to catch them! Will they be doing weekends too when they start to Maidenhead in May 2017?

Also what depot will they be based at when they start the Maidenhead runs? Still at North Pole IEP Depot or will some units be moved to Reading T.C. depsite the fact that the line between Reading and Maidenhead may not be completed in time for the launch?

 

[Nippy]

Will be much easier once West Ealing is up and running. Were you on today Nippy? Looked like some struggles going back on causing congestion but TRC didn't know what was up.

Not guilty. I am in today, on the Slough desk (I'm on a break at the moment)

 

[jimm]

Yesterday I saw an 8-car class 387 arriving at Paddington. It was well loaded end to end and gave the barriers a real shock! It made my HST arrival look tame in comparison. No way would they have fitted onto a 2-car turbo.

Which only underlines why GWR was so keen to get them into service in West London as soon as possible - the Turbo services have been struggling to cope with growing passenger numbers for years - nothing to do with ironing out teething issues/getting passengers used to them, etc...

 

[JN114]

I understand. And oh, that's sad to hear. I like the 387's, just have to rely on rest days during the week to catch them! Will they be doing weekends too when they start to Maidenhead in May 2017?

Also what depot will they be based at when they start the Maidenhead runs? Still at North Pole IEP Depot or will some units be moved to Reading T.C. depsite the fact that the line between Reading and Maidenhead may not be completed in time for the launch?

My understanding - although nothing has been finalised from our standpoint as we tend to only work up to 12 weeks ahead - is that the Maidenhead services will be peak hours only, akin to the current 387 operation (although from the proposed diagrams, the calling pattern will be very different). The aim is to get out of North Pole as soon as physically possible - once we have electrified stabling near London (West Ealing) that should be possible, as long as Reading TCD is ready to do the maintenance. Units will be swapped out by dragging them from West Ealing sidings to Reading on an as required basis. From what I gather it's complications with the latter of those requirements that is putting the process in doubt.

 

[D365]

Which only underlines why GWR was so keen to get them into service in West London as soon as possible - the Turbo services have been struggling to cope with growing passenger numbers for years - nothing to do with ironing out teething issues/getting passengers used to them, etc...

Just as a thought, when the Class 360/2 units were ordered by Heathrow/BAA, would it not have been possible to add on a few more units and use these for the H&H peak hour shuttles which the Class 387/1s are doing currently?

 

[JN114]

Just as a thought, when the Class 360/2 units were ordered by Heathrow/BAA, would it not have been possible to add on a few more units and use these for the H&H peak hour shuttles which the Class 387/1s are doing currently?

The Hayes shuttles are a new service, made possible only by the new bay platform at West Ealing for Greenford services to terminate in. There wouldn't have been the peak hour paths in 2005 to run them and run the Greenfords through to Paddington. You could also argue that while overcrowding on the Thames Valley is now rather severe - that wasn't the case when the 360s were ordered in 2004. Heathrow Connect did produce a mini sparks-effect of its own.

 

[Kite159]

I guess the local commuters from West London will know to try and aim for those 387 operated services in the morning as they stand a better chance of a seat/getting on with the units only starting from Hayes compared to further afield.

 

[FGW_DID]

..........Also, Reading depot is now wired up to all tracks west via the UPL and Tilehurst junction. Earthing straps are still in place but, it looks ready for its first class 387.

4th December, 50p gets put in the meter to energise the UPL & West end (and shed) of the TCD.
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.......I would just like to ask if the all day running of the 387's from January 2017, does this include weekends? Or will it be SSuX?

Trawling through the Long Term Plan diagrams last night, I see there are H&H - Pad shuttles on a Saturday (SO commencing 07/01/17). Units will start & finish at West Ealing.

 

[Class377/5]

Ah so diesel hauling as originally planned then.

 

[hassaanhc]

The Hayes shuttles are a new service, made possible only by the new bay platform at West Ealing for Greenford services to terminate in. There wouldn't have been the peak hour paths in 2005 to run them and run the Greenfords through to Paddington. You could also argue that while overcrowding on the Thames Valley is now rather severe - that wasn't the case when the 360s were ordered in 2004. Heathrow Connect did produce a mini sparks-effect of its own.

And people are exaggerating the number of 2-car trains running :roll:. There are a few of them booked between 1300-1500, but in the peaks they're mostly 4-6 cars. The bigger issue is some long timetable gaps, such as no London-bound trains at Southall from 0810 to 0836 or from 0936 to 1002 (and the uneven 4tph off peak service is annoying too).

 

[swt_passenger]

I would just like to ask if the all day running of the 387's from January 2017, does this include weekends? Or will it be SSuX?

The track access application I posted a while ago includes similar 32 services each way on Saturdays, but none on Sundays.

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...16 3rd sa final for external consultation.pdf