Class 387

[Class377/5]

The first completed 387/2 is supposed to be completed this week. Won't be down to Bletchley until September or October I believe.

 

[samuelmorris]

Will the 387/3 be following on directly from the /2 or is there likely to be a gap between them? The confirmation they were accepted seemed to come only very recently, but then I suppose that doesn't matter much with a follow-on order...

 

[RobShipway]

Will the 387/3 be following on directly from the /2 or is there likely to be a gap between them? The confirmation they were accepted seemed to come only very recently, but then I suppose that doesn't matter much with a follow-on order...

I would imagine that there may be a pause as there has been between the 387/1 & 387/2 before the 387/3's are built.

 

[Class377/5]

I would imagine that there may be a pause as there has been between the 387/1 & 387/2 before the 387/3's are built.

I believe so the first 387/3 aren't supposed to get to GWR until 2017 IIRC.

 

[physics34]

Anyone know what work the 387/1s will have done to them when they go to GWR? Conveniently they already have dark green doors.

I wonder if they will run around over there with southern astroterf seat covers?

 

[Class377/5]

Anyone know what work the 387/1s will have done to them when they go to GWR? Conveniently they already have dark green doors.

I wonder if they will run around over there with southern astroterf seat covers?

It's not very convenient to have green does as GWR is planning on white doors with green body, the opposite of the current livery on the 387/1s.

 

[physics34]

It's not very convenient to have green does as GWR is planning on white doors with green body, the opposite of the current livery on the 387/1s.

Whoops, ha ha that's unlucky. The complete opposite!

 

[Class377/5]

Whoops, ha ha that's unlucky. The complete opposite!

I did chuckle when they did the announcement and I noticed that.

EDIT:

Final two 387/1 are coming into service today. 387101/102 will be running on the following trains

1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 11.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W43 13.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 16.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W57 18.24 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.30 Brighton to Bedford

 

[Peter Sarf]

I did chuckle when they did the announcement and I noticed that.

EDIT:

Final two 387/1 are coming into service today. 387101/102 will be running on the following trains

1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 11.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W43 13.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 16.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W57 18.24 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.30 Brighton to Bedford

Just to confirm I saw these last two 387s at South Croydon yesterday 25/06/2015 at 20:12 in service Southbound, RTT shows it was the 18:24 from Bedford (as per Class377/5 above). That is all 29 of the 387/1s seen in service. Job done !.

 

[Minstral25]

I did chuckle when they did the announcement and I noticed that.

EDIT:

Final two 387/1 are coming into service today. 387101/102 will be running on the following trains

1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 11.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W43 13.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 16.14 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W57 18.24 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.30 Brighton to Bedford

Missed that - I catch the 5:44 most days from Redhill and went in late on Tuesday

 

[Class377/5]

Missed that - I catch the 5:44 most days from Redhill and went in late on Tuesday

That's a shame. I changed units at Redhill I managed to grab both of them on thier first run.

 

[hassaanhc]

387109+387120 were on the 1B50 1828 Brighton to London Bridge, but around East Croydon smoke was found coming out from underneath DMCO 421109 . Fitters here are saying it is the Auxiliary Control Module (ACM). Still sitting in Platform 2 at time of posting.

 

[Class377/5]

The first 387/2 bodyshell had been completed and is in the same we saw early. Doesn't have it doors yet.

 

[Minstral25]

The first 387/2 bodyshell had been completed and is in the same we saw early. Doesn't have it doors yet.

Does it have colour yet - is the horrendous Red coming?

 

[Class377/5]

Does it have colour yet - is the horrendous Red coming?

What I've seen, that CGI picture is spot on. It's certainly red all over apart from the yellow front and grey roof.

 

[Minstral25]

What I've seen, that CGI picture is spot on. It's certainly red all over apart from the yellow front and grey roof.

Well at least they will stand our amongst the Green 377's and bland 387/700's on the BML

 

[AM9]

Well at least they will stand our amongst the Green 377's and bland 387/700's on the BML

Well the 387/1s won't be on the BML for long. They will start transferring to the GWML when the 700s are put into service next spring.

 

[Class377/5]

Well the 387/1s won't be on the BML for long. They will start transferring to the GWML when the 700s are put into service next spring.

Maybe. Word is that due to the changes in the GW work flow is that the 387/1 fleet won't quite be need in large numbers as the wires for the 387 have been put on the back burner and is the IEP routes are getting priority. Have heard the idea the 387/1 to into storage muted, tho this is very silly IMHO.

 

[Minstral25]

Well the 387/1s won't be on the BML for long. They will start transferring to the GWML when the 700s are put into service next spring.

Yes but the livery is the same bland off white but at least the doors are a sexy light blue on the 700s
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Maybe. Word is that due to the changes in the GW work flow is that the 387/1 fleet won't quite be need in large numbers as the wires for the 387 have been put on the back burner and is the IEP routes are getting priority. Have heard the idea the 387/1 to into storage muted, tho this is very silly IMHO.

I can think of many trains that would be longer if they were used elsewhere - not least early delivery of 8 coach ECR to Milton Keynes or extend a few more peak hour services across Southern.

Storage might cause political upset

 

[causton]

Yes but the livery is the same bland off white but at least the doors are a sexy light blue on the 700s
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I can think of many trains that would be longer if they were used elsewhere - not least early delivery of 8 coach ECR to Milton Keynes or extend a few more peak hour services across Southern.

Storage might cause political upset

ECR - MKC is already 8 cars on as many trains as possible IIRC, I do not think they fit into the bay platform at MKC and the other platforms are in use at other times of the day... Whether there is capacity, drivers, guards etc to run a second service WFJ - CLJ or similar in the other half an hour I don't know!

 

[physics34]

Yes but the livery is the same bland off white but at least the doors are a sexy light blue on the 700s
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I can think of many trains that would be longer if they were used elsewhere - not least early delivery of 8 coach ECR to Milton Keynes or extend a few more peak hour services across Southern.

Storage might cause political upset

Will be interesting to see the 377/5s when they go togreat northern...presumably in grey with blue doors too.

 

[jon0844]

Yes but the livery is the same bland off white but at least the doors are a sexy light blue on the 700s

I have to say the white/grey/light blue livery on the Class 365s (and now on at least one 317/3) has really grown on me. And I haven't yet seen a dirty one, which helps. I assume they're regularly put through the train wash - which is something that perhaps AGA should consider for the 379s? They look almost cream coloured, and brown at the tapered ends.

The light base colour also makes it easy to add markings for first class, the area for bikes/buggies/wheelchairs etc.

 

[Minstral25]

ECR - MKC is already 8 cars on as many trains as possible IIRC, I do not think they fit into the bay platform at MKC and the other platforms are in use at other times of the day... Whether there is capacity, drivers, guards etc to run a second service WFJ - CLJ or similar in the other half an hour I don't know!

From my short trips they are mostly 377/7's at the moment, but the plan is when the 377/2s come back from Thameslink they will replace the 377/7's in pairs and the 377/7s will revert to purely Metro work alongside the 377/6's as they already do in spare diagrams.

Keeping 387's longer on Thameslink may mean this can be achieved a bit earlier.

Don't forget DfT pays for 387's if they are in store or running trains

 

[D365]

So, if there is to be any change to the cascade plans, I'm assuming that the Class 377/2, 377/5 or 319 fleets will be relieved from Thameslink first rather than the 387/1, when Class 700 units come on stream. Guessing it will depend on which lines are ready to receive the cascaded units.

 

[Stats]

Maybe. Word is that due to the changes in the GW work flow is that the 387/1 fleet won't quite be need in large numbers as the wires for the 387 have been put on the back burner and is the IEP routes are getting priority. Have heard the idea the 387/1 to into storage muted, tho this is very silly IMHO.

What routes will be "wires for the 387" that aren't IEP? The branch lines of Henley and Windsor, as well as the Basingstoke line are the last to get EMUs anyway in the direct award announcement and Henley, at least, will be 365s. I would have thought Windsor and Basingstoke would be getting 365s too?

 

[RobShipway]

What routes will be "wires for the 387" that aren't IEP? The branch lines of Henley and Windsor, as well as the Basingstoke line are the last to get EMUs anyway in the direct award announcement and Henley, at least, will be 365s. I would have thought Windsor and Basingstoke would be getting 365s too?

I think that you will find that the 387's will at least be doing the London - Reading route when it is wired, so I suspect that they will not go into storage but be used as the starting point of the electrification along with the IEP trains.

 

[westcoaster]

With gat ex getting 387's I wonder if they will borrow a couple of /1's from thameslink to train drivers and maintenance before the arrival of the /2's. So there should be a quick entry into service.

 

[Bishopstone]

Might retention of 387/1s for longer than expected hasten the demise of the 442s on their peak London Bridge diagrams?

 

[physics34]

With gat ex getting 387's I wonder if they will borrow a couple of /1's from thameslink to train drivers and maintenance before the arrival of the /2's. So there should be a quick entry into service.

To be honest they could probably use a southern 377/6 anyway.
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Might retention of 387/1s for longer than expected hasten the demise of the 442s on their peak London Bridge diagrams?

I gather that the 442s will be remaining on the peak London Bridge working til at least 2020.....!

 

[Stats]

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I think that you will find that the 387's will at least be doing the London - Reading route when it is wired, so I suspect that they will not go into storage but be used as the starting point of the electrification along with the IEP trains.

That's my point so I agree. 387s will be used on the Reading, Oxford and Newbury routes to exploit the 110mph capability and maximise capacity on the mainlines. All these routes will be wired for Class 80x so I don't know what routes "wires for the 387s" refers to. As I said earlier Henley, Windsor, and Basingstoke are the last scheduled to get EMUs and at least Henley will be operated by 365s, and I expect Windsor and Basingstoke will be to. So I'm really struggling to understand the rumour posted by Class 377/5.