Class 395 Refresh

[rdlover777]

those new seats look to be the infamous ironing boards

 

[Class 466]

those new seats look to be the infamous ironing boards

They’re the seats they have currently.

 

[rdlover777]

They’re the seats they have currently.

oh thank goodness, i've hate using the 700s due to the ironing boards they call seats

 

[FlippyFF]

It's not hugely legible, but Figure 3 in this paper by Hitachi appears to show the original layout:

[PDF] Development and Maintenance of Class 395 High-speed Train for UK High Speed 1 | Semantic Scholar

The trains, which formally commenced commercial operation in December 2009, are helping to increase the speed of domestic services in Southeast England and it is anticipated that they will have an important role in transporting visitors between venues during the London 2012 Olympic Games...

www.semanticscholar.org

No need to squint, the original doc can be downloaded from the link provided on the site i.e. http://www.hitachi.com/rev/pdf/2010/r2010_01_109.pdf

9y 10m of AFK-STP on 395s
7m of AFK-CST on 375s
1w of AFK-BEX on 171s - the first class seats in reclined position win hands down.


Simon

 

[JaJaWa]

Southeastern
@Se_Railway

Our newly refurbished High Speed Class 395 train has returned to service today.

You can find it forming the below trains.

Find out more about the upgrade programme here: https://bit.ly/3V9qYGy

4:16 PM · Aug 14, 2023

https://twitter.com/Se_Railway/status/1691000942483697664

Marcus G.
@mark395625

395012, the refurbished Southeastern high speed train. New carpets, USB, Type C and 3 pin plug sockets. Very smart.

Now folks, can we look after it?

3:14 PM · Aug 14, 2023

https://twitter.com/mark395625/status/1690985182013104128

 

[Trainguy34]

Interesting, anyone know what ones next due out?

 

[urpert]

Looks great. I don’t know who made the original seats but I don’t think they’ve been used on any other UK stock - sadly.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

What is the mint green for?

 

[Doomotron]

Looks great. I don’t know who made the original seats but I don’t think they’ve been used on any other UK stock - sadly.

They're Grammer C3000s, the budget option. They're used in DB Doppelstock, some of which is used on S-Bahn services.

What is the mint green for?

It's the colour scheme.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

It's the colour scheme.

Well yes, you’d hope I’d be able to figure as much, but my question is - why have they gone for a completely different colour scheme to the refurbishments having just been taken out on the Electrostars? It’s not even as though it’s to establish a more distinct separate High Speed brand, else they’d replace the exterior pale blue on the doors with it too. It just looks rather odd and out of brand, like the lime green on GWR IETs.

 

[Doomotron]

Well yes, you’d hope I’d be able to figure as much, but my question is - why have they gone for a completely different colour scheme to the refurbishments having just been taken out on the Electrostars? It’s not even as though it’s to establish a more distinct separate High Speed brand, else they’d replace the exterior pale blue on the doors with it too. It just looks rather odd and out of brand, like the lime green on GWR IETs.

There is no published reason, but remember that SE now is not the same Southeastern that was in charge when the Networker and 375 refurbishments were happening. So yes, it could be a new high speed brand or it could be the start of a new brand for Southeastern as a whole. I don't think the unit has been repainted, but the upcoming 376 refurbishment and repaint will be conclusive evidence.

 

[Energy]

What is the mint green for?

Looks a bit DLR

They're Grammer C3000s, the budget option. They're used in DB Doppelstock, some of which is used on S-Bahn services.

Here:

The UK ones have a different style of handle on top with more rounded corners on the headrest instead and a cheaper (and better-looking) cushion

why have they gone for a completely different colour scheme to the refurbishments having just been taken out on the Electrostars?

The proper electrostar refurbishment was 4-5 years ago. The recent one was just power sockets, LED lights, and power metering.

It’s not even as though it’s to establish a more distinct separate High Speed brand, else they’d replace the exterior pale blue on the doors with it too. It just looks rather odd and out of brand, like the lime green on GWR IETs.

Visibility maybe? The 395s aren't getting an external repaint yet.

 

[Doomotron]

The UK ones have a different style of handle on top with more rounded corners on the headrest instead and a cheaper (and better-looking) cushion

What gives the design away is that metal strip that wraps around the bottom half of the seat. They're decent seats although they have a hard back. When I go on the refurbished unit (I've asked in the TOPS section to help me get on it ASAP) I can find out if the cushions have been replaced. I haven't found any pre-refurbishment 395s with collapsed seat bases so it isn't an essential change, I just want to see if they've done it anyway.

And on a similar note, does 012 still have the trainbow stickers?

 

[JaJaWa]

(I've asked in the TOPS section to help me get on it ASAP)

Southeastern are posting the workings on their Twitter including in the launch post quoted in this thread

 

[Doomotron]

Southeastern are posting the workings on their Twitter including in the launch post quoted in this thread

Thanks, I'll take a look.

EDIT: The unit went through where I live and I didn't even notice it. I've missed all of them now. Sod's law I guess.

 

[cav1975]

Will the rainbow stripes be on every refurbished unit?

 

[Energy]

Will the rainbow stripes be on every refurbished unit?

No, 395012 is the only unit with the #trainbow livery and has had it since before the refurbishment.

 

[samuelmorris]

Painting the grabrails mint green, installing USB ports and carrying out normal maintenance is what passes for a 'step change' refurbishment nowadays... Sigh. Still, I'm grateful they didn't ruin them by changing the seats, so this is still better than I hoped.

 

[urpert]

Painting the grabrails mint green, installing USB ports and carrying out normal maintenance is what passes for a 'step change' refurbishment nowadays... Sigh. Still, I'm grateful they didn't ruin them by changing the seats, so this is still better than I hoped.

Yes - in the case of the 395 interior (as with the original Connex 375s) definitely a case of not broke, don’t try and fix it.

 

[Sunil_P]

The trend increasingly seems to be for passengers to be made to sit facing sideways!

 

[Class 800]

I can see the electronic seat reservation screens still exist.

First these and now the 195s and 331s, does anyone have any idea why commuter trains are being equipped with electronic seat reservations?

 

[Chiltern006]

i can think of one time they’ve been used, The Open was on in Sandwich in 2021 and they used reservations on service to there

other than that i can’t think of any

 

[Benjwri]

I can see the electronic seat reservation screens still exist.

First these and now the 195s and 331s, does anyone have any idea why commuter trains are being equipped with electronic seat reservations?

No one ever knows what the future holds, especially in the case of the 395s, they were being put on the first ever high speed line and no one knew what they use would be like.

But I would assume it's just rare foresight. Not so much with the 395s, but the other two no one knows where they will end up by the end of their life, and it may well not be a commuter route. It's a lot cheaper to fit them now than when they're needed immediately.

Not to forget the ever feared demand based pricing may mean more trains with reservations if It ever does make it out of the DfT's idea pool.

 

[Energy]

First these and now the 195s and 331s

They were initially planned for mid-distance Northern connect routes.

No one ever knows what the future holds, especially in the case of the 395s, they were being put on the first ever high speed line and no one knew what they use would be like.

Indeed, it's not unreasonable that the 395s would offer reservations at some point.

 

[ScotGG]

Meanwhile the Networkers are beyond bad

 

[Blindtraveler]

The 395 and the networker fleets are still two of my favorites anywhere on the network if I'm honest, whilst the network is maybe showing their age I still love them and will sometimes go out of my way to travel on one

 

[Trainlog]

I can see the electronic seat reservation screens still exist.

First these and now the 195s and 331s, does anyone have any idea why commuter trains are being equipped with electronic seat reservations?

I really hope that they dont use the seat reservation screens as apart from the Ashford to Ebbsfleet section a lot of the Southeastern high speed network especially on the NKML is rather stop-start in its nature.

Apart from Eurostar (When that returns to Kent) we don't really have seat reservations on our trains in Kent except from priority seats, and tbh its not a bad thing either as its first come first served when it comes to the seats so you and your mate aren't being made to move seats because someone has reserved one of them.

 

[Class 466]

I really hope that they dont use the seat reservation screens as apart from the Ashford to Ebbsfleet section a lot of the Southeastern high speed network especially on the NKML is rather stop-start in its nature.

Apart from Eurostar (When that returns to Kent) we don't really have seat reservations on our trains in Kent except from priority seats, and tbh its not a bad thing either as its first come first served when it comes to the seats so you and your mate aren't being made to move seats because someone has reserved one of them.

They've been there since built, they've never been used and never will be on SE.

395015 is up next for refurb

 

[MCR247]

Would I be right in sayuing this "refurb" took around 10 months?

 

[Kite159]

Would I be right in sayuing this "refurb" took around 10 months?

It will be the same with any train refurbs, the first always takes longer with the time for the rest getting shorter.