Class 43 HST and unusual route/stock clearance

[Paul Day]

Just been flicking through the Sectional Appendix and discovered that the Class 43 High Speed Train is permitted to run through Scunthorpe, now that would be quite strange to see a High Speed Loco going through my local station as I have only ever seen either Class 185 DMU'S or Class 170 DMU's pass through.

It's quite interesting to see which Loco's and which Multiple Units can run on which lines.

 

[Sidious]

Just been flicking through the Sectional Appendix and discovered that the Class 43 High Speed Train is permitted to run through Scunthorpe, now that would be quite strange to see a High Speed Loco going through my local station as I have only ever seen either Class 185 DMU'S or Class 170 DMU's pass through.

It's quite interesting to see which Loco's and which Multiple Units can run on which lines.

There used to be a HST diagram through Scunthorpe in the mid 1980's which was the 12:00 Cleethorpes - London KX on Sundays Only. I remember going to Althorpe to watch it pass most weeks. It was the highlight of my week as a young spotter!

Back then there was at least one daily return working from London to Cleethorpes and HST's had to be cleared for Scunthorpe, when the line via Market Rasen was closed for Engineering.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Well I believe I recall seeing that a Eurostar is cleared round the Brentford Loop should one ever need to go round there!!

As for Scunthorpe, I suppose it does also mean UKR could run a EMT HST charter to Cleethorpes, not that it would an exiting destination, it was more fun at Skegness!

 

[Boothby97]

When I was reading it a few weeks back, what confused me was the fact that Class 155s are not cleared for Platform 2 at Cleethorpes, does anyone know why??
Thanks, Sam

 

[61653 HTAFC]

When I was reading it a few weeks back, what confused me was the fact that Class 155s are not cleared for Platform 2 at Cleethorpes, does anyone know why??
Thanks, Sam

I imagine there's not much call for one of the seven remaining 155s to go to Cleethorpes, though it's not beyond the realms of possibility... I could imagine restrictions applying to 153s but not 155s due to any alterations that were needed when they were split- but I'm surprised there's a restriction the other way around!

 

[HSTEd]

HSTs are cleared for lots of routes they never go near any more simply because of the overhang of approvals from BR days, when Cross Country trains went to all sorts of strange destinations.

 

[quarella]

Some years ago a Great Western HST was used by one of the charter companies to Dunster Christmas market on the West Somerset Railway. I have a feeling it started from Bath and tickets could be bought at stations but I can't remember which route it took to Taunton.

 

[starrymarkb]

I imagine there's not much call for one of the seven remaining 155s to go to Cleethorpes, though it's not beyond the realms of possibility... I could imagine restrictions applying to 153s but not 155s due to any alterations that were needed when they were split- but I'm surprised there's a restriction the other way around!

If it's a curved platform then it might be an issue. For example 153s can work the Gunnislake line solo, but not as a pair (or as a 155) as 23m vehicles may make contact on some curves.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

If it's a curved platform then it might be an issue. For example 153s can work the Gunnislake line solo, but not as a pair (or as a 155) as 23m vehicles may make contact on some curves.

There's no curved platform at Cleethorpes if I remember rightly. There is (was, don't think it runs at the moment due to the block) an ECS turn from Doncaster to Cleethorpes booked for a pair of Class 153s. Splitting at Cleethorpes, one half runs empty to Scunthorpe, the other to work the Barton branch shuttles for the day. So 2 153's paired can go there, unsure why a Class 155 is banned.

I don't know if XC 47's are still cleared for Portsmouth Harbour or not (I know Pompey is not on the XC map anymore, nor are 47s)? I recall that the loco hauled services got banned due to the station being on a pier, didn't stop a pair of Type 5 66's with a load 10 of MK1's with 2 buffets going there last year though, so I assume loco hauled services are allowed there now?

 

[High Dyke]

I don't know if XC 47's are still cleared for Portsmouth Harbour or not (I know Pompey is not on the XC map anymore, nor are 47s)? I recall that the loco hauled services got banned due to the station being on a pier, didn't stop a pair of Type 5 66's with a load 10 of MK1's with 2 buffets going there last year though, so I assume loco hauled services are allowed there now?

The loco's may have worked there under special dispensation from the route engineer.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

When I was reading it a few weeks back, what confused me was the fact that Class 155s are not cleared for Platform 2 at Cleethorpes, does anyone know why??
Thanks, Sam

I think it is most likely that they have never needed to go into platform 2 rather than there being a specific reason for it to not to.

....as I have only ever seen either Class 185 DMU'S or Class 170 DMU's pass through....

Strictly speaking the Northern Rail units go through as well, though usually only to change lines for a return working to Doncaster (or beyond).

 

[Jedipickles]

Something usual which i've never understood and unless it's changed but 92's are cleared to run between Buckland Jn and Minster South Jn - but they're not cleared through Dover or via Canterbury East, nor are they cleared between Canterbury West and Ramsgate so they can't actually get to the line between Buckland Jn and Minster Jn..

I dont think i'll be seeing a 92 go through my local anytime soon...

 

[455driver]

I don't know if XC 47's are still cleared for Portsmouth Harbour or not

57s are cleared (at least into P5) as I have seen a couple in there at either end of a snow train earlier in the year.

 

[Boothby97]

Thanks for the replies. None of the platforms are curved at Cleethorpes, and I've seen 2x153 in there before.

Thanks, Sam

 

[PHILIPE]

I imagine there's not much call for one of the seven remaining 155s to go to Cleethorpes, though it's not beyond the realms of possibility... I could imagine restrictions applying to 153s but not 155s due to any alterations that were needed when they were split- but I'm surprised there's a restriction the other way around!

The norm now seems to be that the only units cleared are those that work over the route. There is no reason, perhaps, that others classes are unsuitable it is just that there is no requirement and would be no problem to clear them on paper.

 

[TheBoyFromTheN]

I remember train spotting at Scunny station as a young 'un and seeing HST's go through.

I think about 6 years ago there was a HST special to/from Cleethorpes, but i can't remember where it went to/from!

 

[mac]

I remember train spotting at Scunny station as a young 'un and seeing HST's go through.

I think about 6 years ago there was a HST special to/from Cleethorpes, but i can't remember where it went to/from!

Edinburgh

 

[Drsatan]

HSTs are cleared from Salisbury to Southampton, and from Laverstock North Junction to Laverstock South Junction. HSTs would be seen on this route in BR and XC days if the SWML between Basingstoke and Southampton Central was closed, and I believe FGW operated an HST from Bristol TM to Fratton for Portsmouth fans via Eastleigh and Romsey once (HSTs are barred from Bursledon Bridge AFAIK)

 

[RobShipway]

HSTs are cleared from Salisbury to Southampton, and from Laverstock North Junction to Laverstock South Junction. HSTs would be seen on this route in BR and XC days if the SWML between Basingstoke and Southampton Central was closed, and I believe FGW operated an HST from Bristol TM to Fratton for Portsmouth fans via Eastleigh and Romsey once (HSTs are barred from Bursledon Bridge AFAIK)

Correct there was a FGW HST to Portsmouth and Southsea as I was surprised to see it in the sidings after it had moved out of the station.