Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

[trainmania100]

Class 442 409 + 442402 south through Preston park 0937
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I'll just put this here...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K96037/2016/04/05/advanced

Is there a scrapper at Eastleigh?

 

[theblackwatch]

Class 442 409 + 442402 south through Preston park 0937
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Is there a scrapper at Eastleigh?

Not yet, that train runs on Tuesday (first set coming off lease).

 

[Minilad]

I better get my last one in quick then just in case!
442408 I am coming for you tomorrow

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Class 442 409 + 442402 south through Preston park 0937
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Is there a scrapper at Eastleigh?

Yes. There has been small scale scrapping and component recovery work at Eastleigh Works fairly constantly since the site re-opened.

 

[Dart34518]

I'll just put this here...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K96037/2016/04/05/advanced

Should be 2422.

 

[swt_passenger]

I'll just put this here...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K96037/2016/04/05/advanced

Odd movement though, as "Eastleigh East Yard" isn't the normal destination for trains going to the works, and isn't that origin the concrete plant near Stewarts Lane?

 

[JonathanH]

How significant is the extension of 387/2 workings tomorrow? Given the splitting / joining presumably a few diagrams have to go over on each change.

PS - Why are the evening Gatwick Express workings cut back after 2100 until May?

 

[swt_passenger]

How significant is the extension of 387/2 workings tomorrow? Given the splitting / joining presumably a few diagrams have to go over on each change.

PS - Why are the evening Gatwick Express workings cut back after 2100 until May?

Driver training on the new units?

 

[gazr]

Piggies were working London Bridge to Brighton service today, calling at East Croydon first/last stop. Managed to snag 4 units; 1 + 11 & 2 + 9.

 

[Class377/5]

How significant is the extension of 387/2 workings tomorrow? Given the splitting / joining presumably a few diagrams have to go over on each change.

PS - Why are the evening Gatwick Express workings cut back after 2100 until May?

No change this week. First 442 is released from the initial 8 car working that started awhile back. GTR is required to hold onto stock for a few weeks after being released. Various points of storage will be used as well (mostly where the units go now bar one place).

 

[urpert]

I was quite surprised to see a couple of 442s sitting at Platform *6* at Victoria this morning at around 7.10am. According to the screens they were forming a Brighton service. Pretty unusual to see them in passenger service on the Eastern side - I wasn't even aware that there was a straightforward way of getting from Platform 6 to the Down Brighton Fast?

 

[Deepgreen]

I was quite surprised to see a couple of 442s sitting at Platform *6* at Victoria this morning at around 7.10am. According to the screens they were forming a Brighton service. Pretty unusual to see them in passenger service on the Eastern side - I wasn't even aware that there was a straightforward way of getting from Platform 6 to the Down Brighton Fast?

Signal failure at Victoria has meant platform allocation alterations today. It is possible to get across to the BML from all platforms down to and including five.

 

[urpert]

Signal failure at Victoria has meant platform allocation alterations today. It is possible to get across to the BML from all platforms down to and including five.

Fascinating, thank you.

 

[CosherB]

Thought they may have been stock moves for First TPE!

 

[urpert]

Signal failure at Victoria has meant platform allocation alterations today. It is possible to get across to the BML from all platforms down to and including five.

It's clearly had quite a knock-on effect as there was another one sitting in p7 at about 4.30.

 

[Minstral25]

I was quite surprised to see a couple of 442s sitting at Platform *6* at Victoria this morning at around 7.10am. According to the screens they were forming a Brighton service. Pretty unusual to see them in passenger service on the Eastern side - I wasn't even aware that there was a straightforward way of getting from Platform 6 to the Down Brighton Fast?

Suspect they used SouthEastern(??) route from Clapham Junction via Pouparts Junction rather than the direct route

 

[OxtedL]

Suspect they used SouthEastern(??) route from Clapham Junction via Pouparts Junction rather than the direct route

On this occasion Realtime Trains suggests it went straight to the Brighton Slows then crossed to the fasts just north of Battersea Park (the first and only opportunity to do so before Balham).

In case anyone is struggling to visualise this, here's a dubious stitch together of the two parts of Victoria, taken from screenshots of the online Sectional Appendix pdf. In real life the connection from the Down Brighton slow to the Up Chatham slow is very short!

 

[zdz]

Slightly OT here, but can anyone remind me the weblink to the fantastic track diagrams from that french site? Something like Carteo .fr or similar.

Thanks.

 

[Domh245]

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/ ?

 

[DJH1971]

How long have I got?

I have to confess it looks likely my first 442 trip will be with TPE on the WCML/London Midland additional stock for TV stopper/Football specials/insert whatever stupid suggestion!

How can TPE consider them when they don't use 3rd rail?

 

[MrB]

How can TPE consider them when they don't use 3rd rail?

Well, there's a proposal put forward by members here (not sure how feasible it is) that keeps coming up over and over to convert the 442s to be hauled by class 67s or 68s.

In fact, I even saw someone say that they could fit a pantograph to the 442s, how ridiculous!! :roll:

 

[gimmea50anyday]

How can TPE consider them when they don't use 3rd rail?

You been on these forums recently?....

It was in the ITT for the new TPE franchise. Stagecoach and Keolis both submitted proposals for converting the 442's, First elected for new build stock.

Guess who won the franchise......

 

[cjmillsnun]

Must get one last trip on a 442. Last time I was on one, they were in their prime in SWT land.

 

[DJH1971]

You been on these forums recently?....

It was in the ITT for the new TPE franchise. Stagecoach and Keolis both submitted proposals for converting the 442's, First elected for new build stock.

Guess who won the franchise......

Didn't think they would have room for a pantograph

 

[MrB]

Didn't think they would have room for a pantograph

They don't.

But please let's not start this over again......

 

[RobShipway]

Didn't think they would have room for a pantograph

As Mr B states there is no room for a pantograph on top of the class 442's and the only way that they will be used other than those remaining in service is if they are used in push/pull mode ins some way with either a class 73/9, 67 or 68 in doing express trains in some form similar to the Mk3's with Chiltern.

The problem is that there is nowhere for the class 442's to go other than back into storage and be used possibly for parts if they fit to any mk3's that are still being used i.e. the Mk3 coaches that will be used as part of the HST 5 car sets that are going to be on their way up to Scotrail.

As much as the class 442's are great trains or certainly where when they use to do the Weymouth/Pool/Bournemouth to London Waterloo services, there is no place for them to be used within the 3rd rail area of the South.

 

[zdz]

http://carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/ ?

That's the one. Many thanks.

 

[class387]

I would like to hunt down the 442s this weekend, but I understand there is disruption on the BML. Will they run at all?

 

[swt_passenger]

I would like to hunt down the 442s this weekend, but I understand there is disruption on the BML. Will they run at all?

Gat Ex is not running at all, according to their website, due to engineering works. Network Rail info on the Streatham Area re-signalling also says that Gat Ex is binned for the weekend.

 

[Class377/5]

Doesn't mean they won run as they can and have operated the Brighton service from London Bridge.