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Class 465 and 466 set for storage/scrap: possible uses for them in future?

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brad465 said:
What was the point in sending the 4x 465/0s to storage if they were never going to stay there more than a few months? Why didn't all the 465/2s just go instead?
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South eastern are short off a few units.
True the 4650 should have stayed.
Hence returning in better condition.
However interesting to see about the 4652 at worksop ie scrap or maybe broke up on site for spares for others where components are compatible.
 
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South eastern are short off a few units.
True the 4650 should have stayed.
Hence returning in better condition.
However interesting to see about the 4652 at worksop ie scrap or maybe broke up on site for spares for others where components are compatible.
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Presumably Southeastern will release the 4652s due maintenance or in worst condition first. I agree that parts stripping to maintain other Networkers is possible, assuming that there is compatibility.
 
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Wolfie said:
Presumably Southeastern will release the 4652s due maintenance or in worst condition first. I agree that parts stripping to maintain other Networkers is possible, assuming that there is compatibility.
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At the very least 465/2 parts should be compatible with 465/9 and 466 parts, however if the 2s have gone for being the least reliable at the moment one does wonder if parts' donors is a suitable future for them.
 
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brad465 said:
At the very least 465/2 parts should be compatible with 465/9 and 466 parts, however if the 2s have gone for being the least reliable at the moment one does wonder if parts' donors is a suitable future for them.
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Were any mechanical changes made to the 465/9s, as if not surely they should be no more reliable than the 465/2s?



Are there any plans to actually overhaul the remaining Networkers? Surely with spare stock now, it's the perfect time to start working on them, as they'll be in service for several years more.

The one I was on yesterday had the window surround coming off!
 
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Mikey C said:
Were any mechanical changes made to the 465/9s, as if not surely they should be no more reliable than the 465/2s?



Are there any plans to actually overhaul the remaining Networkers? Surely with spare stock now, it's the perfect time to start working on them, as they'll be in service for several years more.

The one I was on yesterday had the window surround coming off!
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Although the /9's are Met Camm units their upgrading regarding disability regs makes them a much more viable proposition. The /2's are all in storage now they are off lease, and will no doubt provide parts to keeps the 9's on the scene......as they do fill in a significant service role. The 466's seem to be falling apart at the edges........the toilets are not compatible with new disability regs but combined with /9's are providing the extra seating required.

However, having been active a lot recently on 465's and 466's, other than commuter time the services are still fairly empty. There is a requirement to keep 466's going but I believe that there'll be some more going to storage sooner rather than later.

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Balders said:
Although the /9's are Met Camm units their upgrading regarding disability regs makes them a much more viable proposition. The /2's are all in storage now they are off lease, and will no doubt provide parts to keeps the 9's on the scene......as they do fill in a significant service role. The 466's seem to be falling apart at the edges........the toilets are not compatible with new disability regs but combined with /9's are providing the extra seating required.

However, having been active a lot recently on 465's and 466's, other than commuter time the services are still fairly empty. There is a requirement to keep 466's going but I believe that there'll be some more going to storage sooner rather than later.

Cheers

Guy
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All the Networkers have had the required disability upgrades (bar a few 466s with the non compliant toilets).

The 465/9s are nicer inside for sure, but the work done was hardly outlandish. The rest of the fleet should have had the same work done to it (bar the 1st class area), it's a disgrace how the Networkers have been allowed to fall apart.

Yes they get a hard life from certain locals, but that doesn't excuse the condition they're in, when compared to other London commuter stock. And the Chiltern 165s show how good the basic bodywork design is
 
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Yep I've seen no evidence of more anti social behaviour to wreck the trains more than in east, west, north or south London. It's just they've been allowed to get into a terrible state and if things are neglected it does encourage a lack of care.

The /9s have by far the best interior "feel" regardless of the first class. The colour scheme for one is far less miserable. Ambience does count on public transport.

Putting people in dirty and grotty trains is one way to ensure they aren't attractive to use.
 
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So the list I hve to date is:

465 in Storage
465004 - 05/07/2021 to Worksop (returned 29/10/2021).
465010 - 28/06/2021 to Worksop (returned 12/10/2021).
465017 - 24/06/2021 to Worksop (returned 29/10/2021).
465019 - 24/06/2021 to Worksop (returned 12/10/2021).
465235 - 28/10/2021 to Worksop.
465236 - 17/06/2021 to Worksop.
465237 - 28/10/2021 to Worksop.
465238 - 18/10/2021 to Worksop.
465239 - 25/10/2021 to Worksop.
465240 - 21/10/2021 to Worksop.
465241 - 27/09/2021 to Worksop.
465242 - 11/10/2021 to Worksop.
465244 - 27/09/2021 to Worksop.
465243 - 25/10/2021 to Worksop.
465245 - 21/06/2021 to Worksop.
465246 - 17/06/2021 to Worksop.
465247 - 04/10/2021 to Worksop.
465248 - 11/10/2021 to Worksop.
465249 - 18/10/2021 to Worksop.
465250 - ??/??/???? to Worksop.(30/09/2021?)

466 in storage

466004 - 21/06/2021 to Worksop.
466010 - 05/07/2021 to Worksop.
466016 - 21/06/2021 to Worksop.
466024 - 28/06/2021 to Worksop.
466043 - 28/06/2021 to Worksop.
 
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5Q46 1254 WORKSOP UP TO ELY MLF PAPWORTH . Is 37800 with 465249.
According to a very reliable source off mine.
However is it possible for this move that others may follow?
Also has it gone into cold storage at ely from warm storage at worksop.
Was worksop warm storage only due to no space south eastern.?.
 
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This might be of interest: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K06312/2021-12-15/detailed
5Q46 12:54 WORKSOP UP RECEPTIONS - 16:01 ELY MLF PAPWORTH SIDINGS (seen with Mk1 eyeballs passing Werrington Jn at 1439)

One of the Europhoenix 37s with a 465 to Ely. An indication, perhaps, that some might not be coming back...
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465249 from a very reliable source and friend off mine who has seen this go through Newark.
Suspect it's now cold storage from warm store at worksop.
However didn't 465249 have a major issue fault on it anyway?
 
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59CosG95 said:
This might be of interest: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K06312/2021-12-15/detailed
5Q46 12:54 WORKSOP UP RECEPTIONS - 16:01 ELY MLF PAPWORTH SIDINGS (seen with Mk1 eyeballs passing Werrington Jn at 1439)

One of the Europhoenix 37s with a 465 to Ely. An indication, perhaps, that some might not be coming back...
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Saw 465249 on this just outside of Peterborough just before it headed down the line towards March. Wondered where it was being taken to until I saw this post
 
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Presumably one reason for moving to cold storage is if more stock coming in ahead of deployment which is considered a higher priority?

If the stored Networkers now look more likely not to return I'd imagine it has something to do with increases in storage in Kent being behind schedule (thinking of Chart Leacon), and/or potential service cutbacks reducing stock demand.
 
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Terrible how SE have left the Networkers to get in such a bad state, always been the same, years ago when the CEPs were being scraped, SE took on a few from SWT, the difference between the SWT CEPS and the SE CEPS was incredible, SWT CEPs still looked new inside.
 
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Paul Jones 88 said:
Terrible how SE have left the Networkers to get in such a bad state, always been the same, years ago when the CEPs were being scraped, SE took on a few from SWT, the difference between the SWT CEPS and the SE CEPS was incredible, SWT CEPs still looked new inside.
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Agreed. It's feeble excuse to blame the locals for the condition they're in, as if the inhabitants of southeast London are somehow worse then south London where Southern/Thameslink operate
 
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43096 said:
More likely 465/466s as Ely is Angel’s storage site. Eversholt own the “Dusty Bin” fleet.
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Bare in mind the 365s were owned by Eversholt and were stored at Ely for a while (albeit not as long as the 317s etc)
 
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What is the lease status of the 465s/466s in storage? Southeastern's twitter a while ago said they were still on lease and am wondering if that's still true.
 
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STP 21/01

Realtime Trains - FRGT 1356 Worksop Up Receptions to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings
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5Q46 57312 465237


STP 25/01
5Q46 Caped unit problems (57312 465245)
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1254 Worksop Up Receptions to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings

STP 26/01
5Q46 dep 5 late 57312 465245
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1254 Worksop Up Receptions to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings

STP 27/01
5Q46 57312 465240
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1254 Worksop Up Receptions to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings

STP 28/01
5Q46 57312 465250
Realtime Trains - FRGT 1254 Worksop Up Receptions to Ely Mlf Papworth Sidings
 
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