Those figures seem to underestimate the difference.
Absolutely - best thing would be a metro fleet of sufficient size to replace the 455s, and allow Electrostars currently on suburban services to replace 313s and possibly 171s by cascading.
I wonder what the odds are that one super fleet is ordered that completely replaces the Networkers plus Southern's 455s and 313s, as chances are they'll be getting replaced around the same time as they're all near the end and no full replacement has been confirmed yet?
I think @Journeyman summed it up quite nicely - a fleet to replace the 455s plus allow cascade of Electrostars which are currently covering suburban services.
But are completely incompatible with the electrostars. Southern needs a common fleet and SE would still have a mixed fleet of various train types
Is this official or just an idea (I know there's been talk of them going to Southern before)?
Seems like a sensible way to remove the 455s.
Don't forgot you have 10 car operations from London Bridge that use 4+3+3 on the Epsoms so have you taken that into account?
That's what I like to know, is there a source to confirm it as at the moment it's just speculation regardless of having heard it on good authority.
Sounds like it's too late to the save the Beckenham 3, but if all 376s do leave SE next year, then there is no way SE can afford to lose anymore 465s if (as is almost certain), a full replacement for them isn't available. The 707s would in effect be replacing the 376s more than they're replacing 465s, and there's 6 less 707s than 376s.
Thank you for confirming.
And what is going to replace them? 36x5 car units is a big gap to fill.
Thats been rumoured before... They're not actually suitable for SN Metro in their current setup. (They'd need DOO Equipment added or shortened to 4 Car - for use with existing Mirrors/ Monitors).>>
Don't forget you can still extend the Class 707s as it's a modular design capable of up to 240m formations and still in production so if Class 707s were cascaded to Southern with 3 extra carriages to make them all 8 car sets then you have enough to displace the entire Southern Class 455 fleet plus have 7 sets spare or on maintenance.
Across the Southeastern Metro routes From Charing X/Cannon St/Victoria to Gravesend, Dartford, Hayes, Orpington & Sevenoaks
If you wanted to be more adventurous than within London they do also run to Tunbridge Wells from Charing X, Gillingham via the Chatham Main line (on a lucky day they go to Dover Priory via Chatham, although pre-covid the frequently requested diagrams thread revealed these movements) and this summer they should once more be doing the summer specials via the North Kent line to and from Ramsgate.
Currently on a weekday the 09:12 and 10:12 from Victoria to Dover are 465/9s, with the 12:12 being anything from the other subclasses.
Class 365s have this too, you can on a 8 car set either release either just the doors on the front set, the rear set or all doors release however First Capital Connect/Great Northern policy was that all doors HAD to be platformed and that only releasing either doors on the front unit/rear unit was strictly forbidden.
An order for Southeastern would keep a factory going for some time without a Southern order.
