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Class 68 Progress, what's the latest?

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Do posters expect that the 68s will be allocated scheduled freight diagrams by DRS or just fill in where required and able?
 

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investing a large amount of money in leasing up to 25(?) brand new locos will mean they will all have to be out earning their corn!
 

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Do posters expect that the 68s will be allocated scheduled freight diagrams by DRS or just fill in where required and able?
Initial use is expected to be on 'internal' Scottish workings to
Aberdeen and Inverness, which should given them a work out!

To be honest, I can't think of many other suitable duties,
but I suppose the Crewe-Bescot-Toton departmental might
be used for testing locos based at Crewe?


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25 class 68's? that sounds promising,what work other than passenger will DRS expect from them?

Don't forget the actual figure for DRS will be reduced once you've deducted the 6 to Chiltern Railways, but there's also the ScotRail Caledonian Sleeper Franchise coming up for grabs where DRS may be able to utilise their 88 under the wires, and 68 up to and into the Highlands.
 

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Went past the works this morning, the only 68 outside is 68001 in white livery and "Vossloh" mid way along one side and still looking somewhat dirty from its testing. A Euro 3200 is also still outside in beige and white undercoat but almost hidden at the start of the test track. Euro 4000 4027, with a Marathon logo on one cabside, was moved out of the works No 3 line and moved to the back end of the works out of sight but close to the 334 with what looks like a red pantograph, which is presumably 334001. A new Euro 4000, also in beige & white undercoat was moved out from no 2 line and put in no 3 line. Another Euro 3200 and Euro 4000 could be seen inside through open doors and several tram unit body shells were being moved between buildings.
 
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Don't forget the actual figure for DRS will be reduced once you've deducted the 6 to Chiltern Railways, but there's also the ScotRail Caledonian Sleeper Franchise coming up for grabs where DRS may be able to utilise their 88 under the wires, and 68 up to and into the Highlands.

If this does happen, I'll be pleased with that. In which case it shall mean grabbing a 68 and indeed an 88 before I even get a 70!!:lol:
 

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Apart from anything it'll allow them to use their "heritage" fleet less.
 

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use their heritage fleet "less"? i'd expect the 47 fleet to be decimated by the new stock. as for DRS being a "huge" operation, what does that make DBS? :roll:
 

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use their heritage fleet "less"? i'd expect the 47 fleet to be decimated by the new stock. as for DRS being a "huge" operation, what does that make DBS? :roll:
Not sure why there is still so much speculation. DRS announced at the December launch of 68002 that the intention was to replace the class 47s as they were becoming unreliable and expensive to maintain. No mention was made regarding the 20s, 37s and 57s.
Huge must be relative! Compared to the likes of Colas yes but still behind Freightliner I imagine and considerably smaller than DBS. Cannot judge by number of locomotives alone, loads of other things to be factored in also.
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Unfortunately, 68008 probably was a misread. I've updated the news item now it has been confirmed that it wasn't 68008, because 008 hasn't been painted yet.
I can also confirm that it is not 68006 as that is in DRS livery.
At a meeting on 2nd February 2014 Neil McNicholas confirmed that the Class 68 shall not be in Northern Belle livery. At the same time there was a mention of Silver/Grey livery for some. This was after his visit to Vossloh where presumably the names and liveries were discussed.
 
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Not sure why there is still so much speculation. DRS announced at the December launch of 68002 that the intention was to replace the class 47s as they were becoming unreliable and expensive to maintain. No mention was made regarding the 20s, 37s and 57s.
Huge must be relative! Compared to the likes of Colas yes but still behind Freightliner I imagine and considerably smaller than DBS. Cannot judge by number of locomotives alone, loads of other things to be factored in also.
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I can also confirm that it is not 68006 as that is in DRS livery.
At a meeting on 2nd February 2014 Neil McNicholas confirmed that the Class 68 shall not be in Northern Belle livery. At the same time there was a mention of Silver/Grey livery for some. This was after his visit to Vossloh where presumably the names and liveries were discussed.
I can add to that that 68007 will be or is blue as well. Chiltern livery is indeed foreseen for 68010-015.
 
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Just updated my facebook page for Albuixech with photos from the last couple of weeks.
This page has pictures of 68001-68006 and one or two later ones not yet identified as well as a lot of other things built there. Latest pictures are at the bottom of the page which is getting quite long.
 
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Just updated my facebook page for Albuixech with photos from the last couple of weeks.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/...130.1073741830.1192973669&type=1&l=4d65098acc
This page has pictures of 68001-68006 and one or two later ones not yet identified as well as a lot of other things built there. Latest pictures are at the bottom of the page which is getting quite long.

That photo of 334001 with a pantograph is rather interesting! Any more ideas as to what is going on with the loco?
 

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Yes. It acts as a testbed for Vossloh's new electro-diesels or hybrids if you prefer to say that. The loco should also have a knuckle coupler on at least one side. However, according to my info, the loco is "empty" on the inside. It still has the diesel engine but no additional electric equipment. So, any mods are purely optical. My info, however, is at least a year old, so I don't know if any other adjustments have been done in the meantime.
 

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Yes. It acts as a testbed for Vossloh's new electro-diesels or hybrids if you prefer to say that. The loco should also have a knuckle coupler on at least one side. However, according to my info, the loco is "empty" on the inside. It still has the diesel engine but no additional electric equipment. So, any mods are purely optical. My info, however, is at least a year old, so I don't know if any other adjustments have been done in the meantime.

Interesting, thanks for the reply. 334001 is a test loco for Vossloh and not now operated by REnfe?
 

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68006 & 68007, both in DRS livery, were outside side by side today with a Euro 4000, Euro 3200 and a Tram unit with large vossloh logo, in an open bay next to the test track. No sign of 68001 or the other white one which must be 68008.
 

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Certainly looks like the first 15 will be here by June/July at that rate! Probably have the full compliment in the UK well before the end of the year I'd imagine!
It's a possibility but I would not bet on it. Usually they spend 2-4 weeks on testing and finishing after coming out of the paint shop. It looks like 6, 7 and 8 will be the next batch, although it is possible that 9 and maybe 1 could be with them. Don't forget the Israeli order for Euro 3200 is ongoing for the last 4 locos and South African Euro 4000 are in production now, along with a lot of Tram units. Total output by unit is 150/year so about 75-80 locos per year. Also the works is closed for the whole of August so what is not finished by then gets delayed by a month. I believe Chiltern stated they should get their final locos in Autumn so they could have drivers trained and all locos in use before the end of the year. This may indicate the last batch will be delivered September/October rather than July but I could be wrong. Vossloh are still indicating the last 3200s will be delivered by July and the first South African 4000s by end of June. Again, it is possible that the last of the 25 68s may not be delivered until early next year. The time between receipt of order to delivery of the first loco is stated to be around 7 months which would make the first delivery in December if they started straight away. Everything has to be fabricated from scratch so realistically we are looking at March/April next year at the earliest unless they use parts already fabricated for the 88s which would then delay that program. Time will tell.
 

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It's a possibility but I would not bet on it. Usually they spend 2-4 weeks on testing and finishing after coming out of the paint shop. It looks like 6, 7 and 8 will be the next batch, although it is possible that 9 and maybe 1 could be with them.
The recent Modern Railways suggested that the 68s will come in batches of 3 or 4 and the next batch is likely to include 68001. How long until 001, 006, 007 and 008 (the probable next batch, based on that information) arrive I wonder?
 

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The recent Modern Railways suggested that the 68s will come in batches of 3 or 4 and the next batch is likely to include 68001. How long until 001, 006, 007 and 008 (the probable next batch, based on that information) arrive I wonder?
My guess is late May/early June. 68006 came out of the paint shop end of last week and 68007 early this week. I think 68008 went in this week, or it may have been 68009, we don't know yet. 68001 still needs a lot of work even if it is mechanically OK, it picked up a lot of dirt and probably oil and soot during its testing and will need a thorough clean and possibly some rubbing down in the preparation shop before it can go for painting. The others will probably need the 2-3 weeks of testing which usually happens both before and after painting. Nothing much happened in the last couple of weeks due to all the holidays, Easter, St. Vicent, May Day, Puente Day!
 
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