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Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

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That’s why I avoid using thread alerts for the most part.
But I do actually want to know when there's been an update to the topic at hand, believe it or not, as is I'm sure why the feature was introduced? That said, I'm going to only cause alerts for others myself now by staying on this, so I won't labour the point further.

To return to the topic, am I right in thinking Elinor's announcements are being gradually introduced on the 701s?
 
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Is there even much point in this thread still being open at the moment? No progress is being made and I'm personally sick of getting thread alerts just for the same "this is such a shambles" comments, I don't know about anyone else :lol:
Click "unwatch" and you won't get the alerts
 
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To return to the topic, am I right in thinking Elinor's announcements are being gradually introduced on the 701s?
I’m aware that when the trains first did their “soft launch” it was reported that the announcements would eventually be replaced, but nothing since. Are they finally being rolled out?
 

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But I do actually want to know when there's been an update to the topic at hand, believe it or not, as is I'm sure why the feature was introduced? That said, I'm going to only cause alerts for others myself now by staying on this, so I won't labour the point further.

To return to the topic, am I right in thinking Elinor's announcements are being gradually introduced on the 701s?
They have always been on the pre recorded announcements, that are activated from the cabs.

The general PIS voice is still the robotic one.
 

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Truly astonishing how there’s been absolutely no progress with the introduction for almost 2 months

I should be astonished, but I'm not. I've given up hope for any progress in the foreseeable future. I simply cannot see full introduction of the 701s ever happening on SWR now. Quite what happens instead, I have no idea!

Mass rollout will not be happening under SWR. Hopefully Great British Railways knock some heads together and get these units rolled out when they take over.

Not sure I can take another boiling hot summer on the 455s, especially when we were promised that brand new air conditioned trains would be rolling out in 2019.
 

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They're not that new - they are five years old (and most have been sitting in a Warwickshire field for most of that time)
As well as those parked up next to those salty estuaries - Eastleigh and Marchwood. Can't imagine the damp cold salty air will have improved them, unless those at Eastleigh have been stood on the 750V DC. Any warm storage at Long Marston ?
 

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London Waterloo To Hampton Court and then back to Surbiton

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That diagram has been running since October. It isd a positioning move for 2J92 (0752 Surbiton to Waterloo).
Still no sign of the two new Shepperton diagrams supposed to be starting this month
 

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Mass rollout will not be happening under SWR. Hopefully Great British Railways knock some heads together and get these units rolled out when they take over.

Not sure I can take another boiling hot summer on the 455s, especially when we were promised that brand new air conditioned trains would be rolling out in 2019.
Would be good to get the Windsor line 100% 701.
Stuart Meek, Interim Managing Director of South Western Railway did say on camera (BBC South) he will get 10 more 701 units introduced before summer.
Currently it is not certain if he will go back to First when DfT take over.
The GBR transition team on its website say they are working on procedures and setting up it's HQ, so there is no date when they will take over managing SWR.
 

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It will be DfT OLR that will take over in the interim.
Regardless of whether its SWR or OLR, they both dance to the tune of DfT and treasury. Can’t see anything changing.

It’s been so quiet from both Alstom and SWR recently on the 701’s got to wonder if there are legal/compensation discussions going on behind the scenes as the extended lease & maintenance on the 455’s has to be paid by someone.

We know Rock Rail is being paid for the 701’s and DfT will not be happy about paying for two fleets.

Surprised no one has sent a FOI request into the DfT to find out WTF is going on.
 

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Would be good to get the Windsor line 100% 701.
Stuart Meek, Interim Managing Director of South Western Railway did say on camera (BBC South) he will get 10 more 701 units introduced before summer.
Currently it is not certain if he will go back to First when DfT take over.
The GBR transition team on its website say they are working on procedures and setting up it's HQ, so there is no date when they will take over managing SWR.
Did he say diagrams or units? Getting 10 units into service when we currently only have 6 wouldn't be impressive.

10 diagrams isn't happening, we are now 2 months behind on driver training which will have a knock on effect for the whole rollout.

We will be lucky to see 10 new diagrams by the end of the year in my opinion.
 
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It will be DfT OLR that will take over in the interim.
Regardless of whether its SWR or OLR, they both dance to the tune of DfT and treasury. Can’t see anything changing.

It’s been so quiet from both Alstom and SWR recently on the 701’s got to wonder if there are legal/compensation discussions going on behind the scenes as the extended lease & maintenance on the 455’s has to be paid by someone.

We know Rock Rail is being paid for the 701’s and DfT will not be happy about paying for two fleets.

Surprised no one has sent a FOI request into the DfT to find out WTF is going on.
Really wish rail journalists/publications did in-depth investigations into issues on the railway like mainstream news does. They’re all too anxious of making enemies with the companies responsible I assume
 

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Wasn't there a FoI... some time ago... it's all a blur now, and the result was a heavily redacted version due to commercial sensitivity?

Or am I thinking of something else?
 

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we are now 2 months behind on driver training which will have a knock on effect for the whole rollout.
Is the driver training still suspended?

...and yes, I think he means the number of units approved for use will rise by ten, whereas the number of diagrams will remain as it is...
 

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Wasn't there a FoI... some time ago... it's all a blur now, and the result was a heavily redacted version due to commercial sensitivity?

Or am I thinking of something else?
9 February 2024 Cost of delayed Arterio train fleet withheld by government (DfT)
 

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Ref Post 12449 regarding stored units: Those at Eastleigh are indeed on electrified sidings but I don't know if they are cut in or not, the marker/tail lights are usually on, so perhaps they are, these units do seem to change around so are not always the same units. I don't really think Eastleigh suffers from salty air as it is quite some miles from the sea - Marchwood is a completely different situation as it is right on the sea (all be it a salt water estury) and these units do not get changed around, so are probably rotting away ! When the first units were sent to Marchwood it was reported that "a man in a van" would attend regularly to liven them up, but I don't know if this actually happens. It is worth noting that those units sent to Machwood in early 2023 all returned in mid 2024 to be replaced by a second batch, so these might be due for a change-over soon.
 

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Would be good to get the Windsor line 100% 701.
Stuart Meek, Interim Managing Director of South Western Railway did say on camera (BBC South) he will get 10 more 701 units introduced before summer.
[...]

All together now, let's ask him... "Which summer?"
 

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So according to their website, this is the rollout plan. A bit confused by their proposals here, are these proposed diagrams only going to run at peak times, apart from the Windsor ones?

Train #EIS dateKey areas servedPeak and key services
1-523 September - 25 NovemberWindsor

Shepperton

Surbiton
38 x Windsor services

10 x Shepperton services

1 x Surbiton service
6December 2024Shepperton

Strawberry Hill

Windsor & Eton Riverside
0543 Teddington - Waterloo

0642 Waterloo - Shepperton

0741 Shepperton - Waterloo

0842 Waterloo - Shepperton

1642 Waterloo - Shepperton

1741 Shepperton - Waterloo

1842 Waterloo - Shepperton
7February 2025Kingston

Shepperton
0640 Kingston - Waterloo

0711 Shepperton - Waterloo

0812 Waterloo - Shepperton

0911 Shepperton - Waterloo

1612 Waterloo - Shepperton

1711 Shepperton - Waterloo

1812 Waterloo - Shepperton
8February 2025Shepperton

Hounslow Loop
0615 Waterloo - Shepperton

0730 Shepperton - Waterloo

0845 Waterloo - Waterloo via Hounslow

1707 Waterloo - Waterloo via Richmond

1843 Waterloo - Shepperton
9March 2025 - first trains to/from Epsom and GuildfordEpsom

Hampton Court

Guildford
0617 Epsom – Waterloo

0706 Waterloo – Hampton Court

0753 Hampton Court – Waterloo

0854 Waterloo – Guildford via Epsom

1706 Waterloo – Hampton Court

1754 Hampton Court – Waterloo

1854 Waterloo – Guildford via Epsom
10March 2025 - first trains to/from DorkingDorking

Epsom

Hampton Court

Guildford
0659 Dorking – Waterloo

0806 Waterloo – Hampton Court

0853 Hampton Court – Waterloo

1625 Guildford – Waterloo via Epsom

1806 Waterloo – Hampton Court

1854 Hampton Court- Waterloo
11March 2025Hounslow Loop

Kingston Loop
0530 Waterloo – Waterloo via Richmond

0657 Waterloo – Waterloo via Kingston

0830 Waterloo – Waterloo via Richmond

1730 Waterloo – Waterloo via Richmond

1857 Waterloo – Waterloo via Kingston
12April 2025Staines

Shepperton

Strawberry Hill
0453 Staines – Waterloo

0557 Waterloo – Shepperton

0700 Shepperton – Waterloo

0813 Waterloo – Strawberry Hill via Twickenham

1801 Strawberry Hill – Waterloo via Twickenham

1845 Waterloo – Hounslow
13May 2025 - first trains to/from Chessington SouthDorking

Hampton Court

Chessington South
0624 Waterloo – Dorking

0730 Dorking – Waterloo

0836 Waterloo – Hampton Court

0923 Hampton Court – Waterloo

1636 Waterloo – Hampton Court

1724 Hampton Court – Waterloo

1809 Waterloo – Guildford via Epsom

2300 Waterloo – Chessington South

2342 Chessington South - Waterloo
14June 2025Hounslow Loop

Kingston Loop
0600 Waterloo – Waterloo via Richmond

0727 Waterloo – Waterloo via Kingston

0900 Waterloo – Waterloo via Richmond

1627 Waterloo – Waterloo via Kingston

1800 Waterloo – Waterloo via Richmond
15June 2025 - first trains to/from ReadingReading

Ascot
0526 Waterloo – Reading

0709 Reading – Waterloo

1607 Waterloo - Waterloo via Hounslow

1750 Waterloo – Reading
Well, here we are at the end of February and not a sniff of a 701 on either of Diagrams 7 and 8

The press release says 1 in December 2024, 2 in February 2025, 3 in March 2025, 1 in April 2025, 1 in May 2025, 2 in June 2025 which seems a lot more achievable.
Oh, how optimistic we were three months ago............
 
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The GBR transition team on its website say they are working on procedures and setting up it's HQ, so there is no date when they will take over managing SWR.
GBRTT will have no involvement in SWR. SWR is being taken over by DfT Operator Ltd, which in the turn will be taken over by GBR when that's formed in a few year's time. At that stage SWR will cease to exist altogether.
 

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Probably gearing up for another PR launch to give management a day out the office.
I'm sure when the new financial year comes around there will be enough time and budget between then and franchise change to get another all expenses paid event in.
 
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Interesting that the former head for this project seems to have got himself a new job.

Since viewing the linked article would need me to sign up to LinkedIn (which I have no intention of doing), would it be possible to say what his new job involves? A quote (as per forum rules) would be useful.

If he was in any way responsible for the utter fiasco of the 701s, I'd want to stay as far away as possible from whatever he's doing in his new role.
 

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Since viewing the linked article would need me to sign up to LinkedIn (which I have no intention of doing), would it be possible to say what his new job involves? A quote (as per forum rules) would be useful.
Programme Director, Network Performance Board, DfT Operator.

Clearly a move up the ladder, I'd say.
 

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