Class 710 LO

[swt_passenger]

Yep that tweet. I really do hope the units are not delayed - Maybe emergency stock could be loaned to the Lea Valley Lines if so, as stock is now over life expiry?

Not really such a problem as ‘life expiry’ of the existing stock. Yes it’s old, but isnt about to suddenly fail.

 

[AlanFry1]

Not really such a problem as ‘life expiry’ of the existing stock. Yes it’s old, but isnt about to suddenly fail.

Reliability of 317s which LO have inherited are dodgy not to say the least... 315s also have plenty of units with doors out of use, leakages etc

 

[AlanFry1]

Just an update: Plenty of the 315s and 317s out of operation today - causing short formed services and cancellation, apparently down to lack of avaliable stock. LO must find a replacement, and fast if the 710 is having problems.

 

[samuelmorris]

It has happened plenty of times before in winter, so I'm not especially concerned. If there was that much of a crisis they could probably borrow some TfL Rail 315s to cover if they covered the branding up.

 

[goblinuser]

Reliability of 317s which LO have inherited are dodgy not to say the least... 315s also have plenty of units with doors out of use, leakages etc

...As they have had since at least the late 90s.

 

[plcd1]

Just an update: Plenty of the 315s and 317s out of operation today - causing short formed services and cancellation, apparently down to lack of avaliable stock. LO must find a replacement, and fast if the 710 is having problems.

There is no other "show in town" is there? New trains have been ordered and they will be made to work regardless. In the meantime the existing stock to soldier on. Heck even the 378s and 172s were evidently having trouble too so "different" is no great solution. On a slightly wider point I am beginning to wonder if Arriva have altered their train maintenance regimes as there seem to be far more train failures (even ignoring the weather) than under LOROL control. This seems a tad odd given the performance regime should be incentivising better maintenance but perhaps Arriva have traded cost reduction against the risk of performance penalties. They'd not be the first TOC to do that.

 

[K.o.R]

Edit: Agreed, theking, I like it! Wonder if there will be the yellow front end argument with this one too or whether orange will be seen as acceptable?

Much better

please excuse my terrible paint.net skills...

Edit: Are they missing their bottom orange stripe? Presumably that's just a vinyl that's not been put on yet.

 

[AlanFry1]

Anyone know of any updates with the 710s on the lea valley lines? Hopefully something happens soon, or a replacement stock order at the very least, as again today suffered from severe 315s and 317s in reduction due to faulty ageing trains.

 

[Harbon 1]

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Much better

please excuse my terrible paint.net skills...

Edit: Are they missing their bottom orange stripe? Presumably that's just a vinyl that's not been put on yet.

Ooh no no no, these actually look quite good with orange fronts IMO!

I believe that is the case that the vinyl goes on at some point, presumably immediately prior to delivery.

 

[K.o.R]

If the front was fully fully orange then I might agree with you. As it is it just seems "unfinished".

 

[cj_1985]

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Much better

please excuse my terrible paint.net skills...

Edit: Are they missing their bottom orange stripe? Presumably that's just a vinyl that's not been put on yet.

Totally agree... much better with the yellow

 

[samuelmorris]

Anyone know of any updates with the 710s on the lea valley lines? Hopefully something happens soon, or a replacement stock order at the very least, as again today suffered from severe 315s and 317s in reduction due to faulty ageing trains.

Judging by the severity of closures on the ELL/NLL it looks like the 378 fleet came off worst with the snow...
Short-forms and cancellations also abound with the GEML today from all the missing 321s. The LO 317s are pretty worn out but they're far from alone!

 

[Chris172]

Travelled through derby this morning and saw a 4 car class 710 not far outside derby station and a single 345 driver coach. Is that the bombardier works (I have never seen the place)

 

[railfanatic]

Here's another picture

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[railfanatic]

Travelled through derby this morning and saw a 4 car class 710 not far outside derby station and a single 345 driver coach. Is that the bombardier works (I have never seen the place)

It is!

 

[absolutelymilk]

Currently the Wikipedia article for the 710s only has an artist's impression rather than a proper photo. I would be most grateful if someone could upload their photo to Flickr as then I can put it on Wikipedia (which has very strict copyright rules).

 

[rebmcr]

Here's another picture

Looks a lot better with the blue cowling below the cant rail!

 

[samuelmorris]

Agreed, that's probably the smartest 'post-yellow end' livery I've seen yet.

 

[K.o.R]

Don't mind me...

 

[Harbon 1]

Here's another picture

Do you work here too?!

 

[railfanatic]

Do you work here too?!

I can neither confirm nor deny

 

[D365]

Don't mind me...

I don’t know if it’s because there hasn’t been any rendering of the sort, but the Aventra doesn’t suit yellow in my eyes.

 

[Domh245]

I don’t know if it’s because there hasn’t been any rendering of the sort, but the Aventra doesn’t suit yellow in my eyes.

There was a render of it with a yellow front, albeit with the slightly older front end.

 

[D365]

There was a render of it with a yellow front, albeit with the slightly older front end.

Good point. Definitely suits the orange a lot better

 

[theking]

Here's another picture

Really have to say that looks good so much better than the 345 colour scheme.

Nice to see the doo cameras fitted blend in nicely with the gloss black.

 

[K.o.R]

Replace all the orange other than the top stripe with Crossrail lilac and I think it would look very smart indeed. Even without yellow.

 

[fairysdad]

There was a render of it with a yellow front, albeit with the slightly older front end.

Oddly, to me, that looks like the back of a train rather than the front. Not sure why though.

 

[Domh245]

Oddly, to me, that looks like the back of a train rather than the front. Not sure why though.

The front and the back of most trains tend to change every time the train reverse. It's really only one-directional trams that I can think of that aren't! Unless you mean something else?

 

[fairysdad]

The front and the back of most trains tend to change every time the train reverse. It's really only one-directional trams that I can think of that aren't! Unless you mean something else?

Yes, I know that 9999‱ of trains are bi-directional. It's just that for me, this render looks like this it will only be at the back of a train and not at the front.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/‱

 

[goblinuser]

Yes, I know that 9999‱ of trains are bi-directional. It's just that for me, this render looks like this it will only be at the back of a train and not at the front.

Like some type of DVT with a loco on the front?