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Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates
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Jamesrob637
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They appear to have then gone to None Eaten, then back to Crewe. Hope the Crewe didn't consume any food during turnaround
I'll grab my jacket
Can anyone advise on the car types for the 730/2 5 car sets, linked to the car numbers?
I have the following for the 730/0s from the ORR authorisation letter, but obviously not for the 730/2s yet:
730/0
490001 DMS
492001 PMSL
494001 DMS
730/2
490201 DMS?
491201 ???
492201 PMSL?
493201 ???
494201 DMS?
I take it that 730/1s would have had the same designations as 730/2 before renumbering, as I couldn’t see any first class sections in the units from videos or photos?
Thanks for any advice.
I have the following for the 730/0s from the ORR authorisation letter, but obviously not for the 730/2s yet:
730/0
490001 DMS
492001 PMSL
494001 DMS
730/2
490201 DMS?
491201 ???
492201 PMSL?
493201 ???
494201 DMS?
I take it that 730/1s would have had the same designations as 730/2 before renumbering, as I couldn’t see any first class sections in the units from videos or photos?
Thanks for any advice.
Silverlinky
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5 car configuration....
DMC (Driving Motor Composite) 4942xx
M2L (Motor Type 2 Lavatory) 4932xx
PMLW (Pantograph Motor Lavatory Wheelchair) 4922xx
M1L (Motor Type 1 Lavatory) 4912xx
DM (Driving Motor) 4902xx
Whether this changes again due to the fact that the 1st class is removed and therefore the DMC is no longer "composite"
DMC (Driving Motor Composite) 4942xx
M2L (Motor Type 2 Lavatory) 4932xx
PMLW (Pantograph Motor Lavatory Wheelchair) 4922xx
M1L (Motor Type 1 Lavatory) 4912xx
DM (Driving Motor) 4902xx
Whether this changes again due to the fact that the 1st class is removed and therefore the DMC is no longer "composite"
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jhy44
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First time using the train via Birmingham in a long time just now, and had a 15 min wait at New Street; I got very lucky and saw a sparkly new 730 waiting on a platform as the 16:00 to Walsall so hopped on to have a look whilst it was stationary in the platform.
My main takeaways:
1) There is so much free space on these things; a huge area by the door, very wide passages between the seats, and of course the open walk-through vestibules. I feel like the % floor space available for standing must be one of the largest of any train I've seen in the UK? It's a world away from the cramped 323s which have very little standing space indeed, as I was reminded of as my 6-coach 323 departure shortly after was filled to the brim with sardine-like wet passengers cramming in with passengers left standing on the platform unable to board (due to a 27 minute gap in departures in rush hour caused by the Covid-era timetable and then an extra 7 min delay on top). That 300%-odd increase in standing space will be greatly appreciated/needed by cross-city passengers.
2) However, are these trains shorter than others? It felt to me that the ceiling on these trains is lower than usual, and lower than the 323? Is that right or was I imagining it?
Either way it does somewhat detract from the 'bigger/more space' vibe.
3) The lighting really is very blue/cold. Probably 4500/5000K on the CCCT. It was unpleasant and I'd need sunglasses to ride on these headache-free. A big change from the 323s which have lighting no cooler than 3000K I'd guess.
I do worry how quickly these will get vandalized though, they're almost too-nice for Birmingham; which generally has some of pretty appalling levels of vandalism (not just of trains but everything of everything) compared to other cities.
My main takeaways:
1) There is so much free space on these things; a huge area by the door, very wide passages between the seats, and of course the open walk-through vestibules. I feel like the % floor space available for standing must be one of the largest of any train I've seen in the UK? It's a world away from the cramped 323s which have very little standing space indeed, as I was reminded of as my 6-coach 323 departure shortly after was filled to the brim with sardine-like wet passengers cramming in with passengers left standing on the platform unable to board (due to a 27 minute gap in departures in rush hour caused by the Covid-era timetable and then an extra 7 min delay on top). That 300%-odd increase in standing space will be greatly appreciated/needed by cross-city passengers.
2) However, are these trains shorter than others? It felt to me that the ceiling on these trains is lower than usual, and lower than the 323? Is that right or was I imagining it?
Either way it does somewhat detract from the 'bigger/more space' vibe.
3) The lighting really is very blue/cold. Probably 4500/5000K on the CCCT. It was unpleasant and I'd need sunglasses to ride on these headache-free. A big change from the 323s which have lighting no cooler than 3000K I'd guess.
I do worry how quickly these will get vandalized though, they're almost too-nice for Birmingham; which generally has some of pretty appalling levels of vandalism (not just of trains but everything of everything) compared to other cities.
Bletchleyite
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In length no, the vehicles are about 1m longer. Or do you mean...
No, you're right, aircon stock needs lower ceilings for the ducting, 323s don't have aircon so the ceiling goes up to the roofline.
I didn't think that - it is too bright but to me it seems like a neutral white, unlike the horrible LED tubes that are being fitted to the 350s which are decidedly blueish and way too bright. It's bluer than the 323s though which have a very warm white, almost tungsten type colour.
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Realtime Trains | 5Q65 1245 Derby Litchurch Lane to Oxley Car. M.D. | 23/02/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q65 1245 departure from Derby Litchurch Lane to Oxley Car. M.D. on 23/02/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Three WM sets currently outside the traincare depot at Crewe. Any idea which ones they are anybody?
JW4
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There’s a 730 on the diagram that includes 2A31 13:48 Wolverhampton to Walsall today. https://mercury.kanaya.dev/darwin/service/202402246772634
If they are anything like the 196s it’s a cab to cab alert for train crew
That was my thinking, however it’s much quieter than the 196s, to the point where it’s probably not even noticeable.
196 alerts are on the louder side I find. Definitely louder then a 350 I find, so I wouldn't read too much into that. I have my 730 training soon so I will be able to find out for sure then.
JW4
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This 323 I’m on now back from Aston copes less well, it’s packed even tho it’s a 6 car.
Just saw 2R49 going fast through Erdington, it’s skipping Chester Road, Erdington and Gravelly Hill on its way to Aston. Tho that could be also to do with the Cross-Country’s changing the timings.
It will be interesting to see how the 6 car 730s cope on match-days on the Cross-City. 323s aren’t fit for that purpose.
Just saw 2R49 going fast through Erdington, it’s skipping Chester Road, Erdington and Gravelly Hill on its way to Aston. Tho that could be also to do with the Cross-Country’s changing the timings.
It will be interesting to see how the 6 car 730s cope on match-days on the Cross-City. 323s aren’t fit for that purpose.
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778
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I think the 730/0 interior would have been good for London Overground services. Forward facing seats and plenty of standing space. The best of both worlds, more suitable than all longitudinal seating.
Liam L
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They should cope much better judging by the fact a 3 car has coped alright today. I wouldn't like to think how the 3 car 323s are coping on matchdays since units have gone North.
Kite159
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A 3 coach 730 should cope a lot better with crowds than a 3 coach 323 owing to the wider aisles and large areas near the doors.
JW4
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730007 is out today working the diagram that involves the 12:48 Wolverhampton to Walsall.
730021 is at Soho
730021 is at Soho
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87electric
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Baffles me how you can't catch the diagram (SO709) that works all day long.
Peter Sarf
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Have a look at Part Time Spotter - the WMT 730 is reported there and others are expected to be added there when known.
I get the diagram using your link but not otherwise.
Not sure why.
Weird. I have 2 back up phones and they get it but not my main phone.
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Liverpool 507
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With the Liverpool services, will they all be solely 730s eventually, regardless of the day? Are 350s likely to retain any presence on the route?
Peter Sarf
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A bit of general information, for spotters, if I may.
A fly past of Camden CSD (Euston to Harrow and Wealdstone) can reveal seven out of an estimated 11 730/0s there. I have done that around 15:00 weekdays. If you do it at about 17:45 the four service pairs have left on service trains (Part Time Spotter lists these) so the remnants are easier to see. Then you are left seeing what I assume are the test units. Lighting can be a challenge then.
Around 14:00-15:00 there is also a chance of encountering an 805 on test.
Thursday I spied 730003 and 730046 at Camden CSD that way (not coupled together) presumably still on test. I suspect another one was 730047.
A fly past of Camden CSD (Euston to Harrow and Wealdstone) can reveal seven out of an estimated 11 730/0s there. I have done that around 15:00 weekdays. If you do it at about 17:45 the four service pairs have left on service trains (Part Time Spotter lists these) so the remnants are easier to see. Then you are left seeing what I assume are the test units. Lighting can be a challenge then.
Around 14:00-15:00 there is also a chance of encountering an 805 on test.
Thursday I spied 730003 and 730046 at Camden CSD that way (not coupled together) presumably still on test. I suspect another one was 730047.
Western Sunset
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Wonder how long the 730/0s will stay on Euston - Tring/Bletchley services before they move away?
Bletchleyite
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Until the /2s come along and take over I suspect.
Until the 730/2s come into play around December. There’s enough 730/0s to allow the Cross City, Walsall-Birmingham-Wolverhampton and the Chase Line to go over to 730/0 operation alongside the runs on Euston-Tring/MKC.
Western Sunset
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Thanks.