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ok thank you37510 hauling 730217+730212. (5Q72 0857 Old Dalby-Willesden from Railcam and photos on Flickr).
ok thank you37510 hauling 730217+730212. (5Q72 0857 Old Dalby-Willesden from Railcam and photos on Flickr).
Great to hear, this gives me hope that we may actually see them enter service in the summer.
5Q40/41, the first 110mph staff training runs taking place next Thursday and Friday.
I think several have, Crewe crew have been using one for several weeks and will use it for driver training shortly so must be at least 1 down south as wellGreat to hear, this gives me hope that we may actually see them enter service in the summer.
I assume this means that at least one unit has now been accepted?
Possibly as early as June.Great to hear, this gives me hope that we may actually see them enter service in the summer.
I assume this means that at least one unit has now been accepted?
Glad to hear.Possibly as early as June.
As SCDR says, a number have now been modified and accepted. Route proving, clearance, stop board measuring etc has been going on behind the scenes and there is a "meet the train" event planned for mid-May, normally a sign that they are not too far off coming into service.
Trent Valley Euston to Crewe will see the first passenger services.
Interesting. That is a point I don't think I would have thought of. The 730/0s on the Cross City Line in Birmingham require the guard to work from the front cab of the second unit at University and possibly other stations.Several issues, the most difficult one to get past is not being able to work from a cab during football/events trains at Winsford due to platform length not being sufficient. Will see where we go on that point.
I don't think the company thought of the issue, most guards will be happy working from inside the train but that route is often so overcrowded that getting into the train from a cab is nigh on impossible.Interesting. That is a point I don't think I would have thought of. The 730/0s on the Cross City Line in Birmingham require the guard to work from the front cab of the second unit at University and possibly other stations.
Will they run in 10 car formations from Euston - Crewe (2 730s)?Trent Valley Euston to Crewe will see the first passenger services.
Yes, that's the plan and alongside that is the plan to run 12 car 350's between London and Birmingham New Street using the surplus units no longer needed on the Trent.Will they run in 10 car formations from Euston - Crewe (2 730s)?
Aren't the platforms between Northampton and New Street tooYes, that's the plan and alongside that is the plan to run 12 car 350's between London and Birmingham New Street using the surplus units no longer needed on the Trent.
I presume you mean platforms being too short notice long.Aren't the platforms between Northampton and New Street too long for for 12 cars unless they're going to use SDO? Last I heard they were going to attach/detach at Northampton to work 12 cars Euston-Northampton and 8 Northampton - New Street?
(Rugby, Coventry, and International are probably fine, but the intermediate stops won't be)
Yes, shorter is indeed what I meantI presume you mean platforms being too short notice long.
For any that don't fully accommodate 12 coaches, I'm sure they will get UDS authorised down to 8. 350s don't use SDO unfortunately.
Not sure on platform lengths but some seem somewhat longer than the 8 coach units.
I don't think there is much point in 12 cars only working as far as Northampton. The London - Birmingham servces only start to get really busy at Coventry. Attatching/Detaching at Northampton would just slow down journey times as well.Aren't the platforms between Northampton and New Street toolongshort for for 12 cars unless they're going to use SDO? Last I heard they were going to attach/detach at Northampton to work 12 cars Euston-Northampton and 8 Northampton - New Street?
(Rugby, Coventry, and International are probably fine, but the intermediate stops won't be)
I'm sure they can easily attach or detach during the 15-minute fester those trains normally have at NorthamptonAttatching/Detaching at Northampton would just slow down journey times as well.
Yes. I have noticed Northampton has become quite the "node".I'm sure they can easily attach or detach during the 15-minute fester those trains normally have at Northampton![]()
Are all Trent Valley CRE-EUS 730s going to run as 10 car sets? Assuming local southern WCML services will be booked as 10 car 730s too?Yes, that's the plan and alongside that is the plan to run 12 car 350's between London and Birmingham New Street using the surplus units no longer needed on the Trent.
Lets not forget that the plan for the 730's was at least DCO if not DOO instead of the conventional working the units have needed retrofitting for.
It's manually operated from cab 5, so you won't be seeing guards inside the train for that while section. Especially at the start as they get used to operating the UDS. But the uptick in capacity will be very handy.Yes, shorter is indeed what I meant
8 car 350s are circa 160m long - A quick glance at NESA tells:
Long Buckby - 179m Down / 181m Up
Canley - 168m
Tile Hill - 162m
Berkswell - 173m
Hampton-in-Arden - 181m Down / 185m up.
Is UDS automatic or a manual selection each time? If the SC does have to manually select every time it's going to kill the little time they do spend in the Saloon being visible on the Cov Corridor, the extra capacity would be a bonus though.
I don't think that's been mentioned yet, but unlikely to be all double sets. Given a 5 car 730 is around a 6 car 350, some services would cope well with a single set, especially given how much more roomy they are.Are all Trent Valley CRE-EUS 730s going to run as 10 car sets? Assuming local southern WCML services will be booked as 10 car 730s too?
Once they eventually run on LIV-BHM services, will they alternate every 30 mins with 4 (or 8 car - wishful thinking) 350s?
Will that fit in platform 7 at Crewe?Will they run in 10 car formations from Euston - Crewe (2 730s)?
No, they’ll have to use 12, just like the current 12 car diagrams.Will that fit in platform 7 at Crewe?
Ah good to know, hadn't noticed they use P12.No, they’ll have to use 12, just like the current 12 car diagrams.
Old Dalby to Wembley.37608 hauling 730211 through Leicester 20 minutes ago.
Thanks for the info, that's useful.From today Train Allocations for WMR & LNR are shown on Realtimetrains.co.uk
The company very clearly stated that ASDO was being installed on behalf of the ROSCO and not themselves and they had no interest in using it.350’s are also getting ASDO equipment fitted but is not yet in operation, so manual uds activation by the conductor until further notice
I remember reading about that in the business plan commitments document. It's unfortunate that they have no interest in using it, UDS is one of the biggest floors of the 350s.The company very clearly stated that ASDO was being installed on behalf of the ROSCO and not themselves and they had no interest in using it.