Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

[superalbs]

They don't look like it to me. LEANs do feature in the video, though, in the Class 170 rendering.

Helps to look at the right image!

 

[Martin222002]

The image looks like it might be an early render based on the level of detail in comparison to the images we've already seen of the 170 interior and the 810 first class interior. That aside, it certainly looks like a FISA LEAN, which would make sense from it's other uses for EMR we've seen.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The image looks like it might be an early render based on the level of detail in comparison to the images we've already seen of the 170 interior and the 810 first class interior. That aside, it certainly looks like a FISA LEAN, which would make sense from it's other uses for EMR we've seen.

The frame definitely doesn't look like a LEAN. Of the seats I've seen it looks most like the "one off" used in 175s and 180s.

 

[Martin222002]

The frame definitely doesn't look like a LEAN. Of the seats I've seen it looks most like the "one off" used in 175s and 180s.

I have to disagree with you Bletchleyite on that. Putting the images side by side the seats in the 810 render (left) certainly look more like the FISA LEAN seats which are in the 170 render (right) than any other seat design currently seen in new rolling stock in the UK. To me it just looks like the 810 render is an earlier lower quality render to that of the 170 which looks to be the finished design render.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Having looked again you might be right.

If you're correct that they have got the LEAN approved for 125mph in new stock, then FirstGroup need to open their wallets and sort theirs out, and stop making pitiful excuses!

 

[rebmcr]

I have to disagree with you Bletchleyite on that. Putting the images side by side the seats in the 810 render (left) certainly look more like the FISA LEAN seats which are in the 170 render (right) than any other seat design currently seen in new rolling stock in the UK. To me it just looks like the 810 render is an earlier lower quality render to that of the 170 which looks to be the finished design render.

They also have the same pivot for the arm attachment to the frame.

 

[43096]

Having looked again you might be right.

If you're correct that they have got the LEAN approved for 125mph in new stock, then FirstGroup need to open their wallets and sort theirs out, and stop making pitiful excuses!

Let's hope they have got them signed off for 125mph.

Who'd have thought it, Bletchleyite and me agreeing on something to do with seats!?

 

[samuelmorris]

If they genuinely are not-Sophias, I hope Avanti (or whatever that operation will be called by the time they're introduced) follow-suit with their AT300s.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

If they genuinely are not-Sophias, I hope Avanti (or whatever that operation will be called by the time they're introduced) follow-suit with their AT300s.

They’ve already said they will

 

[Martin222002]

Having looked again you might be right.

If you're correct that they have got the LEAN approved for 125mph in new stock, then FirstGroup need to open their wallets and sort theirs out, and stop making pitiful excuses!

Well that or the seat FirstGroup have been working on for their open access operator East Coast Trains and Avanti better be at least as good as the FISA LEAN.

Though I won't lie it would be nice to know the MML has somehow ended up with the best new intercity train interior in the UK.

 

[samuelmorris]

Well that or the seat FirstGroup have been working on for their open access operator East Coast Trains and Avanti better be at least as good as the FISA LEAN.

Though I won't lie it would be nice to know the MML has somehow ended up with the best new intercity train interior in the UK.

Better than the 745?

 

[fgwrich]

Having looked again you might be right.

If you're correct that they have got the LEAN approved for 125mph in new stock, then FirstGroup need to open their wallets and sort theirs out, and stop making pitiful excuses!

First Group and Pitful Excuses...

Let's hope they have got them signed off for 125mph.

Who'd have thought it, Bletchleyite and me agreeing on something to do with seats!?

Ha, indeed! Though I'm surprised you didn't laugh at FG & excuses either! Let's all hope that, the renders are correct and we have the "Lean" after all!

 

[Bletchleyite]

If they genuinely are not-Sophias, I hope Avanti (or whatever that operation will be called by the time they're introduced) follow-suit with their AT300s.

Avanti have already said they are definitely not going for Sophias.

 

[samuelmorris]

Avanti have already said they are definitely not going for Sophias.

Fair, apologies, I must have forgotten that. They will prove an interesting comparison to Pendolinos for those that find them claustrophobic or nauseating from the tilt. Neither of those affect me personally so I can see me still preferring the Pendolinos, but I'm sure many others will have different opinions. An endorsement of privatisation though perhaps that other TOCs, when they have the time to sit down and properly develop new trains as a product, come out with a considerably offering than the government.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Fair, apologies, I must have forgotten that. They will prove an interesting comparison to Pendolinos for those that find them claustrophobic or nauseating from the tilt. Neither of those affect me personally so I can see me still preferring the Pendolinos, but I'm sure many others will have different opinions. An endorsement of privatisation though perhaps that other TOCs, when they have the time to sit down and properly develop new trains as a product, come out with a considerably offering than the government.

And then we have, er, the Welsh Government, who think they are the premium option, as if to prove your point!

 

[northernbelle]

Having looked again you might be right.

If you're correct that they have got the LEAN approved for 125mph in new stock, then FirstGroup need to open their wallets and sort theirs out, and stop making pitiful excuses!

And LNER.
And Transport for Wales.
And GTR.

All companies leasing rolling stock with the same seating type fitted.

 

[Bletchleyite]

And GTR.

GTR (and ScotRail) also have the gall to call it First Class[1]. Though it's a slightly different version, with a higher back, and most importantly a thicker base cushion through which you can't feel the metal base (which for me is all it'd take to turn it into something similarly acceptable as a Grammer E3000 or LEAN).

[1] The LNR 730s will also have it in First Class, continuing the tradition of the 2+2 seated Desiros in having First Class which is inferior to Standard.

 

[superalbs]

GTR (and ScotRail) also have the gall to call it First Class[1]. Though it's a slightly different version, with a higher back, and most importantly a thicker base cushion through which you can't feel the metal base (which for me is all it'd take to turn it into something similarly acceptable as a Grammer E3000 or LEAN).

[1] The LNR 730s will also have it in First Class, continuing the tradition of the 2+2 seated Desiros in having First Class which is inferior to Standard.

Which train do GTR use that seat on?

 

[northernbelle]

Which train do GTR use that seat on?

GTR use it as the First Class seat on its 700s.

 

[Pete_uk]

That interior looks as colourful as a rainy day in January

 

[dorsetdesiro]

Isn't East Coast Trains supposed to be a cheap low cost alternative to LNER, like Megabus on tracks? Then the seating may be lower standard spec, so probably more usual Sophias or god forbid ironing boards with extra cushioning for long distance!

 

[Martin222002]

Isn't East Coast Trains supposed to be a cheap low cost alternative to LNER, like Megabus on tracks? Then the seating may be lower standard spec, so probably more usual Sophias or god forbid ironing boards with extra cushioning for long distance!

Off topic I know, but I believe FirstGroup have said that the East Coast Trains 803s were going to get a different seat. I know the same has been said by FirstGroup for Avanti's 80Xs, but I'm certain the same had been said for East Coast Trains too.

 

[samuelmorris]

Isn't East Coast Trains supposed to be a cheap low cost alternative to LNER, like Megabus on tracks? Then the seating may be lower standard spec, so probably more usual Sophias or god forbid ironing boards with extra cushioning for long distance!

An ironing board with extra padding would be pretty good. The lack of padding is the main issue with those seats, everything else about them is OK.

 

[superalbs]

Found the seat! Looks like it's whatever this is, on the Hitachi Caravaggio units in service with Trenitalia and Trenord:

 

[DB]

Fair, apologies, I must have forgotten that. They will prove an interesting comparison to Pendolinos for those that find them claustrophobic or nauseating from the tilt. Neither of those affect me personally so I can see me still preferring the Pendolinos, but I'm sure many others will have different opinions. An endorsement of privatisation though perhaps that other TOCs, when they have the time to sit down and properly develop new trains as a product, come out with a considerably offering than the government.

I believe that they are intending to for the new seats to the Pendolinos too.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Isn't East Coast Trains supposed to be a cheap low cost alternative to LNER, like Megabus on tracks? Then the seating may be lower standard spec, so probably more usual Sophias or god forbid ironing boards with extra cushioning for long distance!

It is, but this thread is about East Midlands Railway which is a franchised (ish) operator, not a cheapo alternative.

An ironing board with extra padding would be pretty good. The lack of padding is the main issue with those seats, everything else about them is OK.

Ever tried a Northern/ScotRail one with the contoured base? They are one of my preferred seats, definitely better than a Sophia.

"Keep it simple" is the best game with seats, which the "ironing board" does. If you contour it and design it ergonomically, it tends to suit only the person size and shape you've designed it for.

 

[DB]

It is, but this thread is about East Midlands Railway which is a franchised (ish) operator, not a cheapo alternative.



Ever tried a Northern/ScotRail one with the contoured base? They are one of my preferred seats, definitely better than a Sophia.

"Keep it simple" is the best game with seats, which the "ironing board" does. If you contour it and design it ergonomically, it tends to suit only the person size and shape you've designed it for.

Which Scotrail units have them?

The Northern ones are ok - better thanI expected and better than the supposedly superior seats in the IEPs and Mk5s.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Found the seat! Looks like it's whatever this is, on the Hitachi Caravaggio units in service with Trenitalia and Trenord:

Yep, that definitely seems to be it! Hopefully better than the Sophia, though it does seem to be yet another case of a regional seat used on an InterCity train. I wonder if it's the same one Avanti are having?

Which Scotrail units have them?

The Hitachi EMUs operating between Glasgow and Edinburgh, and the refurbished West Highland 156s.

 

[samuelmorris]

It is, but this thread is about East Midlands Railway which is a franchised (ish) operator, not a cheapo alternative.



Ever tried a Northern/ScotRail one with the contoured base? They are one of my preferred seats, definitely better than a Sophia.

"Keep it simple" is the best game with seats, which the "ironing board" does. If you contour it and design it ergonomically, it tends to suit only the person size and shape you've designed it for.

No, only 387s and 195s, but other than the firmness, they were fine.

 

[DB]

No, only 387s and 195s, but other than the firmness, they were fine.

The 195s have the version with extra padding. Don't Know sbout 387s.