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I know an aviation environment with an online briefing tool which operational staff have an licence obligation to log on and read the mandatory notices prior to commencing work. Supervisors get reports on who has briefed what and when a user logs on, the supervisor is automatically notified if that user has any unread mandatory messages - which could be because they were urgent and late breaking, in which case this is a prompt for the supervisor to ensure the user is briefed. This has the support of the unions, as it is used to ensure members are briefed, not to catch them out.

In 2021 none of this is rocket science: It's about making the technology work for you. In railway terms, yes it probably means internet enabled devices being issued to train crew, but this is a small cost for the reassurance it provides to all parties.

The railway has plenty of systems like this too - online platforms where you have training you have to complete (for all grades at various degrees) with deadlines and supervisors / line managers will have administrative access. This includes crew briefings if they are given in a virtual manner.

For on-the-day or changes within 24 hours, you wouldn't really be able to turn around that documentation in good time. When drivers sign on (remotely or otherwise) they will sign to say they have read the notices and are fit for duty etc.
 
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The railway has plenty of systems like this too - online platforms where you have training you have to complete (for all grades at various degrees) with deadlines and supervisors / line managers will have administrative access. This includes crew briefings if they are given in a virtual manner.

For on-the-day or changes within 24 hours, you wouldn't really be able to turn around that documentation in good time. When drivers sign on (remotely or otherwise) they will sign to say they have read the notices and are fit for duty etc.
Isn't part of the problem also that management aren't prepared to pay to train the drivers how to use/adopt this new technology ? They'd rather they were out driving trains than sitting in classrooms. Especially if they suffer from traincrew shortages.
 

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Isn't part of the problem also that management aren't prepared to pay to train the drivers how to use/adopt this new technology ? They'd rather they were out driving trains than sitting in classrooms. Especially if they suffer from traincrew shortages.

Yes and no. There's some element of a bit of training, but frankly some drivers do take the mickey a little bit when they're at home with their iPhones and iPads just fine...
 

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The railway has plenty of systems like this too - online platforms where you have training you have to complete (for all grades at various degrees) with deadlines and supervisors / line managers will have administrative access. This includes crew briefings if they are given in a virtual manner.

For on-the-day or changes within 24 hours, you wouldn't really be able to turn around that documentation in good time. When drivers sign on (remotely or otherwise) they will sign to say they have read the notices and are fit for duty etc.

To expand on that a little;

Where notices are disseminated electronically, managers are able to audit whether or not they have been read by staff and can follow-up any non-compliance. This doesn't just cover regular requirements for things like safety briefs, resignalling briefs and so on, but also includes daily and weekly notices as well as local and other ad-hoc notices requiring the attention of staff. Therefore this is not so very dissimilar to the system described in aviation further up-thread.
 

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Safety critical notices should surely show up onboard as the train approaches the relevant area, in a concise & not distracting way ( we're assuming the relevant notice was read beforehand so no need to dump it all ). We've had much practice at vehicle interfaces, it's nothing new.

The NOTAM sustem & various other related parts of aviation could do with some work too, maybe not the best example to look at. There's that pesky cost issue though...
 

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And making it failsafe, that's a difficult one. Technology always fails at some point.
 

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To expand on that a little;

Where notices are disseminated electronically, managers are able to audit whether or not they have been read by staff and can follow-up any non-compliance. This doesn't just cover regular requirements for things like safety briefs, resignalling briefs and so on, but also includes daily and weekly notices as well as local and other ad-hoc notices requiring the attention of staff. Therefore this is not so very dissimilar to the system described in aviation further up-thread.
The technology can tell managers whether the notices have been displayed on the device issued to the recipient but not whether it's been read by him/her.
 

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And making it failsafe, that's a difficult one. Technology always fails at some point.
Indeed, technology does always fail at some point. Making it failure proof is extremely difficult and expensive. Making it failsafe is entirely realistic - think signalling.

I have been interested to read that the railways have similar briefing systems to bits of aviation.

NOTAMs were mentioned. Whilst they are indeed the international standard, experience suggests that they aren't a particularly robust way to disseminate information...
 

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If this is in relation to Salisbury, and the contribution of the RHTT not running, you can almost be certain that there will be a recommendation that drivers are made aware of this so that they can drive to the anticipated conditions.

I was sure this was communicated to drivers already, but I'm probably wrong in that regard.

Most communication goes on between control and drivers book on points, if it isn't something that results in the need for an immediate caution (which would be applied by the signaller). There is evidently a gap there where urgent but not necessarily emergency or immediate info needs to be communicated. Never been keen on tablets or phones due to their potentially distracting nature for drivers. I know that they likely wouldn't be accepted at ScotRail for example.

There was many a situation at ScotRail where messages would be passed on via station staff from control, and drivers would completely disregard them.
 

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Yes and no. There's some element of a bit of training, but frankly some drivers do take the mickey a little bit when they're at home with their iPhones and iPads just fine...

I don't think its unreasonable to expect proper training on a safety critical element such as this.

As for being fine on iPads/iPhones, what happens when work then give you a samsung phone ? Hence the need to be given time to train.
 

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Never heard of remote printing? It gets printed first thing by Control in batch and then someone puts it in a pile. Not that complicated.
The thing being How does this work at remote depots? Many book on by phone and have such information sent via fax printer by the rostering staff. Most depot managers only work Monday to Friday 8am to
I don't think its unreasonable to expect proper training on a safety critical element such as this.

As for being fine on iPads/iPhones, what happens when work then give you a samsung phone ? Hence the need to be given time to train.
This is a big problem with new technology, I work with some drivers that don't have any mobile phone or have a very old Nokia 3310.
Training is very relevant especially if you are asking the drivers to use the equipment for safety critical work, a simple day's training on the tablet & apps would help get the best out of the new technology.
 

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The technology can tell managers whether the notices have been displayed on the device issued to the recipient but not whether it's been read by him/her.

Until such time as we are required to have a cerebral implant through which all knowledge and information is downloaded directly into our brains Matrix-style, there isn't much alternative. In most respects the industry treats us like the adults that the vast majority of us are. If someone is taking a shortcut by failing to read and understand their notices then they will have to account for that in the event that they then go on to make a hash of it as a consequence.

Does this introduce a hole? Yes of course it does. But short of setting all drivers a quiz based on the contents of that days/weeks notices that they must pass in order to book-on or having a tannoy in the cab announcing various things as you go along, I don't really see what else is reasonable or practicable.

If this is in relation to Salisbury...

This entire thread seems to pre-suppose that it is, but I'm not so sure.

Firstly, it assumes that the SWR driver was unaware. I have been keeping my own counsel up to this point, but my own personal conviction is that the RAIB will not be focusing their enquiries primarily onto him. While it is not beyond possibility that anyone can make a mistake, this guy has 50 years experience which probably makes him one of the most experienced drivers on the network. We won't know for some time precisely what has or hasn't happened and what he did or didn't know before setting sail, so we cannot yet know whether or not he was aware of the missed RHTT circuits and what effect any lack of awareness might have had, so I respectfully suggest that we should park this.

Secondly, notwithstanding what the RAIB may uncover, SWR has already gone on record to publicly praise their driver's "exemplary" conduct. I stand to be proved wrong on this point, but I doubt that they would have said that if, having looked at the download and spoken to him, there was anything to suggest to them that the driver's technique had in any way contributed to the accident.

From the responses to this thread so far from other driving colleagues, it appears to be standard practice that information about missed RHTT circuits is disseminated through the late notices (although the precise manner varies from operator to operator). The majority of RHTT activity happens during the evening and into the night, therefore it seems an appropriate means of communicating that information as not many drivers are booking-on during the period when they usually operate meaning that information about missed circuits is likely to be complete and accurate. Where late notices are sent in electronic form they can be (and are) updated through the day with information that drivers might need to know.

But I will come back to the point I made originally, which is just what are you supposed to do with that knowledge. I would extend that to asking whether or not knowledge of a missed RHTT circuit is going to save you from having an incident. The problem is that until you actually go out there and drive across the route you will have no idea precisely what the adhesion levels are going to be. To illustrate; two days ago I drove across a route that had been listed as untreated and, after an initially cautious start, I discovered that the grip levels were near-normal.

Adhesion varies across a route depending on many conditions, including levels of vegetation, topography, sources of contamination (internal or external), weather and even whether or not trains normally accelerate, brake or coast at certain places. As has already been said, RHTTs are not a magic wand that make the rails grippy again (although they do do an excellent job), as the conditions that apply after the RHTT has passed can quickly undo all their good work. As a result, drivers employ their route knowledge and experience to know where to be more cautious, whether or not they have been conscientious and read and digested the contents of the notices.

I may be out of step with my colleagues over this, but whether or not a section of route has been treated is almost immaterial to me because it tells me very little of value. I drive to the prevailing conditions and adjust my braking accordingly, and I won't know exactly what that will be until I actually get out there onto the route itself. Even areas that have been treated can be treacherous if the conditions dictate it, so I don't allow myself any false sense of security.

I await the RAIB report with interest. I expect that the missed RHTT circuits will be listed as a contributory, and maybe even a causal factor, in this incident, but I am of the opinion that the knowledge of missed RHTT circuits is being overplayed.
 

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But I will come back to the point I made originally, which is just what are you supposed to do with that knowledge.

You have answered your own question here :

To illustrate; two days ago I drove across a route that had been listed as untreated and, after an initially cautious start, I discovered that the grip levels were near-normal.

I think this is important. Knowing that the area was untreated you took appropriate action. By adopting a defensive driving technique you acted on the safety advice given and acted professionally. Which is why I am at odds with this part of your post here :

I may be out of step with my colleagues over this, but whether or not a section of route has been treated is almost immaterial to me because it tells me very little of value.

Forewarned is forearmed. You had the info and did indeed act. Therefore that cannot be immaterial.

I drive to the prevailing conditions and adjust my braking accordingly, and I won't know exactly what that will be until I actually get out there onto the route itself.

Which is the most important factor. We drive to the conditions we currently experience. Knowing that it can change in an instant is a key driving skill.

so I don't allow myself any false sense of security.

Again, another key skill.

I await the RAIB report with interest. I expect that the missed RHTT circuits will be listed as a contributory, and maybe even a causal factor, in this incident, but I am of the opinion that the knowledge of missed RHTT circuits is being overplayed.

I have no wish to comment directly on the incident; especialy as this is a thread about communication... However, I would urge you to reconsider your opinion.
 

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Our late notices are emailed to our work email addresses and automatically printed for us when we book on for duty with our names on them. Seems to work okay.
With all that printing, do you have a useful recycling facility (paper basket) at the booking off point?
 

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Thank you @ComUtoR for your reply.

I'm unsure that we're necessarily talking about precisely the same thing here. I don't disagree that forewarned is forearmed, nor do I deny that being advised of a section of untreated route caused me to change my driving technique. However, you have slightly misquoted me by failing to include the word "almost".

The main thrust of my post is to explain that knowledge of a missed RHTT circuit does not tell you how bad the adhesion conditions might be. It might cause you to be more cautious, but how much more cautious you need to be will be dictated by the actual conditions which you won't know about until you arrive there. Hence, knowledge of missed RHTT circuits being almost immaterial.

There also appears to me to be an undertone that suggests that the SWR driver was unaware of the missed circuits and that if he had been aware the incident may not have happened. The first element of this is unknown at present (at least in public circles) and probably won't come out until the RAIB report is published, and the second element is what I'm primarily addressing.

As to changing my opinion; well, unless you know something that I don't, I feel entitled to hold whatever opinion I see fit. I am happy to be corrected and will change my opinion when I see something that shows where my understanding is incorrect.
 

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I don't think its unreasonable to expect proper training on a safety critical element such as this.

As for being fine on iPads/iPhones, what happens when work then give you a samsung phone ? Hence the need to be given time to train.

I agree some training is required, but when people still don't use them or say they need "refreshers", I think that's going a bit too far. There has to be some self-management too.
 

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At GWR when you book on a copy of your late notices is automatically printed off, upto 6 pages. It always up to date plus we have access to a electronic version should we need to check anything during the course of our shifts.
 

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However, you have slightly misquoted me by failing to include the word "almost".

More misread than misquoted...


The main thrust of my post is to explain that knowledge of a missed RHTT circuit does not tell you how bad the adhesion conditions might be. It might cause you to be more cautious, but how much more cautious you need to be will be dictated by the actual conditions which you won't know about until you arrive there. Hence, knowledge of missed RHTT circuits being almost immaterial.

I completely agree and cheers for clarifying. *Almost staying on topic... Information is important but a little double edged. One that always amused me is on a route brief where they list all the distractions. Then you go out and start looking for them :/

As to changing my opinion;

More of a reconsideration than change per se. Forgive the wording here and I, in no way, meant offence or state your option to be incorrect. Just, and trying to stay tenuously on topic and out of the incident. I feel that there is a lot to be said regarding how information is communicated to Drivers and what is or indeed isn't passed on.



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Forgive the wording here and I, in no way, meant offence or state your option to be incorrect.

No problem. I'm sorry for being so overly defensive in my response.

Just, and trying to stay tenuously on topic and out of the incident. I feel that there is a lot to be said regarding how information is communicated to Drivers and what is or indeed isn't passed on.

I don't entirely disagree. However, in an endeavour to stay out of discussing last weekend's unfortunate incident we are instead talking tangentially about the self same issues, which I completely understand as people from outside the industry are trying to understand what might have happened. But it's a bit like discussing the "Scottish play" without making any reference to the "M-word". In some respects I'd prefer not to have this pretence and just be able to talk plainly whilst still respecting the situation.

That aside, I'm amazed that there are still operators out there that rely on a Late Notice Case or printed notices. Where I work we've had tablets for some years (in fact we're now onto our second generation of tablet) with all our notices sent electronically. Even before that, our telephone booking-on system was linked to the printer so that when you booked on it would print your late notices, so you knew that they would be near the top of whatever pile had accumulated up to that point.

I can only speak for myself here, but I find the contents of the various notices I receive sufficient for me to go out and do my job. Where there are any gaps in information it is usually because either no-one has thought to provide it or it forms the answer to a question not yet posed (or still pending an answer), although in most recent experience this is to do primarily with infrastructure changes. Apart from that I'm not sure what other information I would need, apart from the obvious ones of "why am I still sat at this red signal" and "why have you put that slow freight train out in front of me". :rolleyes:

For the benefit of those looking in from outside, there are already protocols in place to advise drivers of important things that they might not otherwise know, most of which involve communication through the signaller. New speed restrictions where boards have not yet been erected, cautions for infrastructure issues or trespassers, etc, all come through the GSM-R cab radio. Messages can also be got to the driver from control via platform staff or guard (where there is one). We are far from being uncontactable, even once we're out on the road.

I don't know what else could be done to improve the situation. I know that GSM-R has some neat functions that currently only get rarely used, but I do understand that a text message or berth-triggered broadcast can be extremely distracting if sent at the wrong moment. It might be fine while you're bowling along out in the countryside, but if you're on a busy DOO metro service with stops every two minutes it would be far from ideal.

This for me is the nub of the problem. Technology is great when it adds something, but the desire to have live information in the cab has to be balanced with the driver's existing workload and not in itself cause any additional problems. A signaller can stop the train before speaking to the driver and a guard can pick the right moment to buzz the driver to relay a message, but an automated system will just ping it into the cab whenever it is triggered to do so. And no matter how technically good a system is, having to listen to or read a message and assimilate what it says while driving a train isn't as easy as it sounds. I had a berth-triggered GSM-R broadcast in the bowling-along-in-the-countryside scenario, and I found it worryingly distracting. Heaven only knows how you'd balance that with trying to stop at a station or a red signal, or adjusting speed to match a restriction.

And this brings me to another issue. No matter how good the technology used for delivering it, the message still originates with a Mk1 human. Part of the problem with the GSM-R broadcast message I received was that it was delivered by voice by a regular signaller. Now I mean no offence here to any of my slipper-wearing colleagues (sorry, couldn't resist ;)), but the message was mumbled in an unfamiliar accent and, because I didn't have any warning of what it might say, I had to pay very close attention to it to make sure that I heard it correctly because I didn't have the option to ask the signaller to repeat it if it was garbled or the line quality was poor. The attention that I was having to direct towards listening to this broadcast and assimilating what it contained was attention that I was not directing towards controlling the train. If I'd had to direct my attention back towards driving (e.g. because of a cautionary signal) I would not have fully understood the content of the message which could potentially cause me to have an incident due to missing whatever vital piece of information I was meant to receive. Quite honestly I hope I never receive another one.

Text messages are likely to be similarly troublesome. When you consider how many times people misunderstand each other on this forum because of the way that we interpret written text (and I'm not looking at anyone when I say that), I'm really not sure that it's a good way to disseminate potentially safety-critical information.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the system as it stands at the moment strikes the best balance between ensuring that drivers have all the information they need and are updated as necessary while ensuring safety. The desire to have live information in the cab must be balanced with the implications that it creates.
 

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The desire to have live information in the cab must be balanced with the implications that it creates.
Absolutely agree.

Although very different, drivers of road vehicles that respond to incidents or failures also have to be careful that they are not distracted by mobile telephones, pagers, or tablets. Although in principle, no different to other road vehicle drivers, you know that when the device bleeps or rings, or you see the screen light up, it’s very likely that someone wants you to respond and attend to something somewhere else. Hence it requires willpower to resist the urge to answer or look at the device.
 

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No problem. I'm sorry for being so overly defensive in my response.



I don't entirely disagree. However, in an endeavour to stay out of discussing last weekend's unfortunate incident we are instead talking tangentially about the self same issues, which I completely understand as people from outside the industry are trying to understand what might have happened. But it's a bit like discussing the "Scottish play" without making any reference to the "M-word". In some respects I'd prefer not to have this pretence and just be able to talk plainly whilst still respecting the situation.

That aside, I'm amazed that there are still operators out there that rely on a Late Notice Case or printed notices. Where I work we've had tablets for some years (in fact we're now onto our second generation of tablet) with all our notices sent electronically. Even before that, our telephone booking-on system was linked to the printer so that when you booked on it would print your late notices, so you knew that they would be near the top of whatever pile had accumulated up to that point.

I can only speak for myself here, but I find the contents of the various notices I receive sufficient for me to go out and do my job. Where there are any gaps in information it is usually because either no-one has thought to provide it or it forms the answer to a question not yet posed (or still pending an answer), although in most recent experience this is to do primarily with infrastructure changes. Apart from that I'm not sure what other information I would need, apart from the obvious ones of "why am I still sat at this red signal" and "why have you put that slow freight train out in front of me". :rolleyes:

For the benefit of those looking in from outside, there are already protocols in place to advise drivers of important things that they might not otherwise know, most of which involve communication through the signaller. New speed restrictions where boards have not yet been erected, cautions for infrastructure issues or trespassers, etc, all come through the GSM-R cab radio. Messages can also be got to the driver from control via platform staff or guard (where there is one). We are far from being uncontactable, even once we're out on the road.

I don't know what else could be done to improve the situation. I know that GSM-R has some neat functions that currently only get rarely used, but I do understand that a text message or berth-triggered broadcast can be extremely distracting if sent at the wrong moment. It might be fine while you're bowling along out in the countryside, but if you're on a busy DOO metro service with stops every two minutes it would be far from ideal.

This for me is the nub of the problem. Technology is great when it adds something, but the desire to have live information in the cab has to be balanced with the driver's existing workload and not in itself cause any additional problems. A signaller can stop the train before speaking to the driver and a guard can pick the right moment to buzz the driver to relay a message, but an automated system will just ping it into the cab whenever it is triggered to do so. And no matter how technically good a system is, having to listen to or read a message and assimilate what it says while driving a train isn't as easy as it sounds. I had a berth-triggered GSM-R broadcast in the bowling-along-in-the-countryside scenario, and I found it worryingly distracting. Heaven only knows how you'd balance that with trying to stop at a station or a red signal, or adjusting speed to match a restriction.

And this brings me to another issue. No matter how good the technology used for delivering it, the message still originates with a Mk1 human. Part of the problem with the GSM-R broadcast message I received was that it was delivered by voice by a regular signaller. Now I mean no offence here to any of my slipper-wearing colleagues (sorry, couldn't resist ;)), but the message was mumbled in an unfamiliar accent and, because I didn't have any warning of what it might say, I had to pay very close attention to it to make sure that I heard it correctly because I didn't have the option to ask the signaller to repeat it if it was garbled or the line quality was poor. The attention that I was having to direct towards listening to this broadcast and assimilating what it contained was attention that I was not directing towards controlling the train. If I'd had to direct my attention back towards driving (e.g. because of a cautionary signal) I would not have fully understood the content of the message which could potentially cause me to have an incident due to missing whatever vital piece of information I was meant to receive. Quite honestly I hope I never receive another one.

Text messages are likely to be similarly troublesome. When you consider how many times people misunderstand each other on this forum because of the way that we interpret written text (and I'm not looking at anyone when I say that), I'm really not sure that it's a good way to disseminate potentially safety-critical information.

All of this leads me to the conclusion that the system as it stands at the moment strikes the best balance between ensuring that drivers have all the information they need and are updated as necessary while ensuring safety. The desire to have live information in the cab must be balanced with the implications that it creates.
The toc I work for is still in the dark ages compared to others in the industry, drivers have
No tablet/ipad.
No works mobile
No work based phone number
No work email address

All comms are sent to personal mobile numbers/phones/email addresses if you give them your numbers etc

Remote booking is via phone to a manned BOP, paper diagrams are faxed to remote depots. Wons and Pons are still depot paper based books. We rely on late notice cases and notice cases for information.
The GSMR was revolutionary to us after years of the NRN and that's the hight of technology for us.

I agree about the distractions that can be problematic in the driving cab though, I've had berth based gsmr messages and they are very hard to hear in a noisy 158/150/153 cab and very distracting whilst driving.
It's a fine line between not having enough information and having to much that causes a distraction and then the potential to cause an incident as a result.
 

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The toc I work for is still in the dark ages compared to others in the industry, drivers have
No tablet/ipad.
No works mobile
No work based phone number
No work email address

All comms are sent to personal mobile numbers/phones/email addresses if you give them your numbers etc

Remote booking is via phone to a manned BOP, paper diagrams are faxed to remote depots. Wons and Pons are still depot paper based books. We rely on late notice cases and notice cases for information.
The GSMR was revolutionary to us after years of the NRN and that's the hight of technology for us.

I agree about the distractions that can be problematic in the driving cab though, I've had berth based gsmr messages and they are very hard to hear in a noisy 158/150/153 cab and very distracting whilst driving.
It's a fine line between not having enough information and having to much that causes a distraction and then the potential to cause an incident as a result.
The other issue is getting GSMR messages for the wrong operator. We are now starting to get ones for Crossrail at Abbey Wood.
 

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There is nothing better than the late notice case. For example today I could be going to London so any restrictions applying to me are noted. Tomorrow I could be off to Plymouth so those are noted.
In the modern world if the fax machine ain't working then any emergency speed restrictions will be met at the warning boards.
 

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The toc I work for is still in the dark ages compared to others in the industry, drivers have
No tablet/ipad.
No works mobile
No work based phone number
No work email address

All comms are sent to personal mobile numbers/phones/email addresses if you give them your numbers etc

Remote booking is via phone to a manned BOP, paper diagrams are faxed to remote depots. Wons and Pons are still depot paper based books. We rely on late notice cases and notice cases for information.
The GSMR was revolutionary to us after years of the NRN and that's the hight of technology for us.
That's crazy. Ive had work mobiles as a TOC driver since 1998, emails via those awful Blackberrys in the late 2000s & tablets since around 2015. Signing on was done on depot or remotely via WorkPlace from 2007 & recently Dimmensions has replaced it.
 

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My companies IT department is astonishingly bad. They seem to be great at sending newsletters about 'woke' subjects, but notices, wons and pons, booking holidays etc are still paper
 

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We are using tablets (or similar devices) since 2001. The problem of how to communicate with drivers has been solved, but the problem of what to communicate to the driver has gotten worse. The easy path of getting information delivered to drivers led to a flood of messages, some of the were more and some less important, some were irrelevant and some relevant ones are still missing. Now we have an „inforamtion center“ trying to work out what message is actually woth sending out and filters it according to route and traction knowledge.

Everything that happens on short notice is usually covered by the rule book and are therfore handeled between the signaller and the driver.
 

wobman

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That's crazy. Ive had work mobiles as a TOC driver since 1998, emails via those awful Blackberrys in the late 2000s & tablets since around 2015. Signing on was done on depot or remotely via WorkPlace from 2007 & recently Dimmensions has replaced it.
We are totally paper based still, talking to drivers from other TOCs they can't believe how bad we have it compared to other comparable tocs out there.
 

alxndr

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This thread is a couple of weeks old now, but I was reminded of it when reading the RAIB report into Trains overspeeding between Laurencekirk and Portlethen released today.

The investigation found that some drivers were unaware of the BESR [Blanket Emergency Speed Restrictions] as they approached it, and others were unaware of its exact extent. A notice, displayed in the late notice cases at the locations where the drivers reported for duty, was the only information about the BESR provided to drivers. This notice did not convey information in a way that could be readily understood and remembered when drivers needed to apply it. ... The learning points cover the importance of drivers being aware of information contained in late notices, and the need for safety critical communications to provide clear and unambiguous information.
 

jamesst

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We are totally paper based still, talking to drivers from other TOCs they can't believe how bad we have it compared to other comparable tocs out there.

Not just yours, my toc refuse point blank to provide drivers with mobile phones. We're often the last of any grade to find information out but the company are only too happy to shift the blame entirely onto the driver if they miss something.
 
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