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Personally I did think EuroGarages may have been better for McColls - they have a track record in convenience stores, whereas Morrisons have a bad track record in them! I could have seen "Asda Local" branding or similar appearing. We will have to see if Morrisons have learnt from the M Local failure.
 
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Personally I did think EuroGarages may have been better for McColls - they have a track record in convenience stores, whereas Morrisons have a bad track record in them! I could have seen "Asda Local" branding or similar appearing. We will have to see if Morrisons have learnt from the M Local failure.
Personally I don't think either were brilliant options. I fear EuroGarages have overextended themselves with the huge amount of debt they accrued purchasing Asda (then Leon, then Cooplands...). On the other hand, Morrisons - now owned by an American private equity firm - also seems a target for asset stripping.
 

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Clothing and homeware shop Joules are to appoint administrators.
 

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We seem to be hitting another wave of closures/administrations currently. It’s hardly surprising though with the economy being how it is, and so soon after traditional retail was really shafted during the pandemic.
 

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We are currently very lucky that in Hebden Bridge - a town of only 5,000 people - we still have a real post office, in a handsome purpose-built 1930s Jacobean-style building. However, we no longer have any banks, the last one - Lloyd's - having closed nearly three years ago. The nearest bank is now in Halifax, eight miles away.
Hebden Bridge has an unusual retail situation, there are plenty of independent shops of a wide variety, and the Town Council does its best to keep everything locally owned and run. You still have that nice Post Office and the Trades Club. You will not find the high street chains present in Hebden Bridge. such as McDonalds, Wetherspoons, Tesco, Primark, Boots, etc etc.The main supermarket is the Coop. It is long-term policy from the 1970s when the town was economically on its knees yet was brought back to life by an influx of educated practitioners of "alternative lifestyles".
The High Street "Chains" left in Hebden Bridge were the Banks, and the closure of the final one, Lloyds, left the Town "chain-free".
How the Town will fare for retail in the next few years as we enter "tight" times will be interesting, the TV series by retail therapist Mary Portas was not new or ground-breaking in its methods to stimulate the High Street, Hebden were there long before Mary.
I visit Hebden Bridge frequently , just to get away from London, Hebden Bridge is a sanctuary of peace and calm compared to London.
That friendly cafe on the Station Platform, my first port of call on arrival, wonderful tea and bacon rolls, and always nice conversations with local people in the cafe
 
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Hebden Bridge has an unusual retail situation, there are plenty of independent shops of a wide variety, and the Town Council does its best to keep everything locally owned and run. You still have that nice Post Office and the Trades Club. You will not find the high street chains present in Hebden Bridge. such as McDonalds, Wetherspoons, Tesco, Primark, Boots, etc etc.The main supermarket is the Coop. It is long-term policy from the 1970s when the town was economically on its knees yet was brought back to life by an influx of educated practitioners of "alternative lifestyles".
The High Street "Chains" left in Hebden Bridge were the Banks, and the closure of the final one, Lloyds, left the Town "chain-free".
How the Town will fare for retail in the next few years as we enter "tight" times will be interesting, the TV series by retail therapist Mary Portas was not new or ground-breaking in its methods to stimulate the High Street, Hebden were there long before Mary.
I visit Hebden Bridge frequently , just to get away from London, Hebden Bridge is a sanctuary of peace and calm compared to London.
That friendly cafe on the Station Platform, my first port of call on arrival, wonderful tea and bacon rolls, and always nice conversations with local people in the cafe


There is a Boots in Hebden. Indeed until recently there were two. There’s also a branch of One Stop (owned by Tesco of course), so it isn’t quite without any chains.

The problem with the shops in Hebden is that there are just too many cafes now, and it’s hard to see how they’ll all survive. Off the top of my head there are two on Market Street, one at West End, one in the Town Hall, three in the square, four on Bridge Gate, one on Albert Street, one on Crown Street, one on Valley Road. A town of 5,000 people even with the summer weekend influxes can’t support over a dozen cafe.
 

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There’s also a branch of One Stop (owned by Tesco of course)

Most (if not all) "One Stop" stores are privately owned, a bit like Spar or Premier(Booker) shops, basically a franchise where the shop buys most of it's goods through the One Stop wholesaler (which is owned by Tesco) for buying power/economies of scale etc to get the special offers such as BOGOFs etc. The shops themselves are not "owned" by Tesco.
 

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It may have already been asked in this thread but who owns petrol garages and what's the long term outlook for them as we approach the ban of new ICE vehicles?
 

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Most (if not all) "One Stop" stores are privately owned, a bit like Spar or Premier(Booker) shops, basically a franchise where the shop buys most of it's goods through the One Stop wholesaler (which is owned by Tesco) for buying power/economies of scale etc to get the special offers such as BOGOFs etc. The shops themselves are not "owned" by Tesco.

About 180 of over 900 One Stop stores are franchises (ie a bit less than 20%). One Stop employs about 11,000 people directly
 

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I think One Stop is basically a way for Tesco to charge higher prices than Tesco Express.
 

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It may have already been asked in this thread but who owns petrol garages and what's the long term outlook for them as we approach the ban of new ICE vehicles?

Currently, new cars last an average of 13 years. It'll be 2035 before new hybrid car sales are banned. So, "petrol" stations will be needed until around 2050 at least. Obviously, there'll be a gradual decline throughout 2035-2050, so the number of petrol stations will start to fall. But, diesel will still be needed for the longer term for lorries, vans, etc as the conversion to electric will take longer for them. There'll also likely be lots of people with ICE cars who want to keep them on the road for longer than 13 years, so I'd say "petrol" stations will still be pretty much around for another 20 years or so, albeit smaller/less popular ones closing over time (as has been happening for the last 20-30 years with supermarket petrol stations causing independent ones to close).
 

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There is a Boots in Hebden. Indeed until recently there were two. There’s also a branch of One Stop (owned by Tesco of course), so it isn’t quite without any chains.

The problem with the shops in Hebden is that there are just too many cafes now, and it’s hard to see how they’ll all survive. Off the top of my head there are two on Market Street, one at West End, one in the Town Hall, three in the square, four on Bridge Gate, one on Albert Street, one on Crown Street, one on Valley Road. A town of 5,000 people even with the summer weekend influxes can’t support over a dozen cafe.
Absolutely true....plus, there is also a branch of Fat Face on Bridge Gate. The latest news is that two adjacent closed independent shops - Pennine Wine and Cheese company and Holt's greengrocer & fishmonger - are currently subject to a planning application for conversion to an Ice cream parlour. Quite a few of the large number of pubs in the town are owned by the big national pubcos - although different in management and character - so could in a way be described as parts of national chains. These companies are servicing massive debts and I wouldn't be surprised to see one or more of them go under in the not-too-distant future.
I visit Hebden Bridge frequently , just to get away from London, Hebden Bridge is a sanctuary of peace and calm compared to London.
That friendly cafe on the Station Platform, my first port of call on arrival, wonderful tea and bacon rolls, and always nice conversations with local people in the cafe
Next time you're coming up, feel free to DM me if you fancy a pint or a coffee and a chinwag.
Hebden Bridge has an unusual retail situation, there are plenty of independent shops of a wide variety, and the Town Council does its best to keep everything locally owned and run. You still have that nice Post Office and the Trades Club. You will not find the high street chains present in Hebden Bridge. such as McDonalds, Wetherspoons, Tesco, Primark, Boots, etc etc.The main supermarket is the Coop. It is long-term policy from the 1970s when the town was economically on its knees yet was brought back to life by an influx of educated practitioners of "alternative lifestyles".
The High Street "Chains" left in Hebden Bridge were the Banks, and the closure of the final one, Lloyds, left the Town "chain-free".
How the Town will fare for retail in the next few years as we enter "tight" times will be interesting, the TV series by retail therapist Mary Portas was not new or ground-breaking in its methods to stimulate the High Street, Hebden were there long before Mary.
A huge problem in Hebden and other 'tourist honeypot' towns is the rapid proliferation of 'Air BnBs', particularly since lockdown. It's one thing people using their spare rooms to earn a wee bit of extra cash to help pay the bills....but rich 'out-of-towners' - particularly from London - are buying shed loads of terraced houses to become unattended 'Air BnBs', including Bonsall's, our beloved former ironmongers and hardware store, which still has its fascia and empty shop window. Meanwhile, local young people cannot afford to rent a house - let alone buy one - and therefore have to move away. I suppose, at a stretch, you could describe 'Air BnBs' as being franchised branches of a major international chain!
 

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plus, there is also a branch of Fat Face on Bridge Gate

Of course. I must have skipped a bit in my mental walk round town because in my cafes list I forgot Coffee Cali, which is almost across from Fat Face

The latest news is that two adjacent closed independent shops - Pennine Wine and Cheese company and Holt's greengrocer & fishmonger - are currently subject to a planning application for conversion to an Ice cream parlour

Apparently Holt’s is riddled with asbestos. Although the squatters don’t seem to care.

We also have more very expensive bars opening - Lloyds Bank has become Coin, and the Nat West is reopening as a bar soon. And Vocation are expanding into the space Nathan’s barbers was in till last week.
 

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Fat Face shops (love their clothing, as an aside), do tend to pop up in somewhat surprising locations. Spotted one in Padstow, earlier this year, for example. Thankfully the Epping store is still open (again, a bit random), but was genuinely surprised when they shut their outlet in Westfield Stratford a few years ago.
 

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It may have already been asked in this thread but who owns petrol garages and what's the long term outlook for them as we approach the ban of new ICE vehicles?

Aren't most of them individually run franchises?
Clayton, Dubilier & Rice is a US private equity firm which owns Motor Fuel Group who are the largest petrol station operator. You may have heard of them earlier this year, as they bought the Morrisons supermarket chain.
 

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For those clothes shops which are "mid market", it's a coming storm with cost of living increasing therefore some shoppers who would have purchased new clothes either will push back on buying new, or 'downshift' to buying clothes from supermarkets/Primark etc.

The more top end/luxury clothes shops (ie a tee shirt for over £100 due to having a logo on it) will also get affected but not by much.
 

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Petrol stations will continue to evolve from selling fuel and a few items of groceries to convenience stores that sell fuel, to outright convenience stores. At least they’ll have space for parking
 

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It may have already been asked in this thread but who owns petrol garages and what's the long term outlook for them as we approach the ban of new ICE vehicles?

They'll adapt, although many close every year anyway. Redesign concourses to include EV charging and then have a convenience store with cafe, so people can charge up, pop to the toilet and have a coffee. A nice place to rest and relax before continuing a journey.

With chargers getting faster, people can occupy a space for 10-15 minutes or so. Frankly, you'll see some petrol stations already full of cars where people are in the in-store coffee shop for longer than that.
 

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I think filling stations will gradually evolve to reduce their number of petrol and diesel pumps, and install fast chargers in their place. In urban areas these will cater for drivers who can't charge at home, while roadside / rural ones will cater for those needing en-route charging. The shops at those will probably add a sitting area with wifi and drinks and snacks available, for use while people's cars are charging.

As an aside I filled up last week at a petrol station that had a hot-food counter in the shop, which was the busiest part of the whole place.
 

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I think filling stations will gradually evolve to reduce their number of petrol and diesel pumps, and install fast chargers in their place. In urban areas these will cater for drivers who can't charge at home, while roadside / rural ones will cater for those needing en-route charging. The shops at those will probably add a sitting area with wifi and drinks and snacks available, for use while people's cars are charging.

As an aside I filled up last week at a petrol station that had a hot-food counter in the shop, which was the busiest part of the whole place.
A new filling station got built on the A11 not far from me a few years ago, I was astonished there was zero provision for EV charging.
Meanwhile the MFG filling station at Barton Mills put in 8 rapid chargers a year or so back. Very handy for me if I've cut it a bit fine to get home (don't want to arrive home with lots of expensive electricity in the battery!) and need a quick pit stop for the last 30 miles.

One of the issues is grid connection, it's not as simple as just slapping in some rapid chargers. That said it is coming, BP in Thetford has 3 or 4 chargers (and has done for a few years) and it's increasingly common to see Shell sites with chargers too. Shell are planning to install 20,000 more in the next few years.
 

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We have a filling station 30 seconds from our house. It now has a popular and well-used Pret. Although its prices are higher than those in the branch by my office (Tower of London).
 

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Avanti West Coast (apologies if it's already been mentioned upthread, but I haven't got the time to scroll back through nearly 3,000 posts!)
 

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About 180 of over 900 One Stop stores are franchises (ie a bit less than 20%). One Stop employs about 11,000 people directly
OK fair enough, I wonder if it's a regional thing. All the OneStop stores I deal with are privately owned franchises who've converted from Spar or Premier franchises or weren't previously under a buying umbrella.
 

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We seem to be hitting another wave of closures/administrations currently. It’s hardly surprising though with the economy being how it is, and so soon after traditional retail was really shafted during the pandemic.
Wealthy people are still wealthy even in the worst of times, companies which serve the wealthy tend to survive.
The speculative question is the middle tier and lower tier of retailers, how will they cope when money is tight?
Note how after 2009, Lidl the low-price supermarket stole middle class customers away from Tesco, Sainsburies Waitrose.
Which will be the next areas of retail to undergo the "Lidl" phenomenon?
 

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Wealthy people are still wealthy even in the worst of times, companies which serve the wealthy tend to survive.
The speculative question is the middle tier and lower tier of retailers, how will they cope when money is tight?
Note how after 2009, Lidl the low-price supermarket stole middle class customers away from Tesco, Sainsburies Waitrose.
Which will be the next areas of retail to undergo the "Lidl" phenomenon?
Interesting and true enough. Although I would argue that the traditional British elite Agrarian landowners who were extremely rich in the 1850’s, were not so by the 1950’s, hence many of their estates now being owned by the National Trust etc, wealth can and does shift.

Also interesting to note that the slump even seems to be affecting companies like Amazon who have enjoyed strong growth for decades up to now, with them reported to be laying of workers and their share price having dropped 40%.
 

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Amazon? Affected? Yay, jolly good show! Sorry but I just don't like Amazon, so I'm happy to hear even they're struggling now. Not so good that people are losing jobs though.
 

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Amazon? Affected? Yay, jolly good show! Sorry but I just don't like Amazon, so I'm happy to hear even they're struggling now. Not so good that people are losing jobs though.
I wouldn’t say they are struggling, just the Covid/Lockdown boom has ended for them, so their sales are still probably decent but just look poor in comparison to the last couple of years.
 

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