philthetube
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No.
It annoys me the Northern Line has two significant branches but still called the same line.
Wow, you are easily annoyed
No.
It annoys me the Northern Line has two significant branches but still called the same line.
Wow, you are easily annoyed
Well luckily for you, the Northern is being split at some point within the next 10 years.
Probably into the Charles and Camilla lines
Erm we don't need any lines named after Royalty thanks.
I do think the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines should now merge, especially since both lines don't really have a large amount of track unique to their respective lines, maybe the Hammersmith & Circle line? That has a nice ring to it.
Well luckily for you, the Northern is being split at some point within the next 10 years.
Is it? I thought the big stumbling block was the overcrowding it would cause at Camden Town with so many people changing trains?
You are correct, it is dependent on the Camden Town rebuild.
Two consultations on proposals for this had failed in the last decade or so; the third currently seems to be progressing well.
Wow, you are easily annoyed
Wow, rather pointless posting:roll:!
Clearly having two separate Northern Lines through Central London is a recipe for confusion.
It's always seemed odd to me that the tube line which runs the furthest south should be called 'Northern'. Not unlike the Northern line of Merseyrail, although the Wirral extends more southerly.
I kinda see in the next 15-20 years the Met line merging with the Aylesbury line, or The Amersham branch forming a part of some future Crossrail line, a big underground shake up could occur.
Now that three of the lines, all share the identical fleet of rolling stock, for the first time in their lives, I guess we can make any rearrangements we would like to do.
Even with the S8 on the Met line, can include the Met line in any shakeup we want.
No we can't Met's S8's are not permitted to operate in passenger service anywhere where they already don't around the Circle due to short platforms.
With SDO surely that is "not permitted at the moment "?
I never thought of thatThere are some terminus stations where S8s would be outside the starter signal. Wimbledon is an example.
I never thought of that
Repeater signal like a fog one but beyond the starter?
Or simply not worth the effort to standardise trains?
Originally Posted by cjp View Post
I never thought of that
Repeater signal like a fog one but beyond the starter?
Or simply not worth the effort to standardise trains?
Many, probably most, termini have pointwork immediately beyond the platform ends. If the train couldn't clear this on the way in then it probably wouldn't be able to get out again and even if it could it would block some other moves before it did so. The same is true of some through stations.
No we can't Met's S8's are not permitted to operate in passenger service anywhere where they already don't around the Circle due to short platforms.
With SDO surely that is "not permitted at the moment "?
At some point SDO becomes counter-productive because of the distance people have to walk through the train (which may be packed) to get to a working door and the aggravation of people missing their stop because of it. It would also the evacuation time somewhat if a train had to be emptied at a platform through fewer doors, but evacation at a platform would still be a lot quicker than in a tunnel so that's probably not much of a concern.
This reminds me that I was surprised that the red door not in use indicators on S7s running Circlesmith trains do not seem to light up until the moment that the doors are released at the station with short platforms, leading (since people weren't listening to the announcements, or were foreign, or hearing-impaired, etc.) to a stampede for the doors that work, and an unnecessary increase in dwell time to allow those people to leave the train.
Why, I wondered, do those lights not illuminate as soon as the train leaves the previous station, or of not then, then at least 30s (say) before arrival at the short platform? Ideally, they'd blink a few times too, to attract attention. Time for a software update I'd say.
This reminds me that I was surprised that the red door not in use indicators on S7s running Circlesmith trains do not seem to light up until the moment that the doors are released at the station with short platforms, leading (since people weren't listening to the announcements, or were foreign, or hearing-impaired, etc.) to a stampede for the doors that work, and an unnecessary increase in dwell time to allow those people to leave the train.
Why, I wondered, do those lights not illuminate as soon as the train leaves the previous station, or of not then, then at least 30s (say) before arrival at the short platform? Ideally, they'd blink a few times too, to attract attention. Time for a software update I'd say.
I wish they could have installed red lights where the white door lights are, and when the train is at a short platform, the red lights can start flashing. I don't know if that would be effective.
One thing the Underground lacks that many other metros have is arrows that light up to show the side the platform will be on at the next stop. If they had them they could have something like a red cross with an arrow pointing down the train for areas where the doors won't open.