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Covid restrictions abroad: updates & observations

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Ironic that a country formerly one of the most difficult to visit in Europe is now one of the easiest!

I've realised from my COVID-era travels that generally (not all) the countries with more pressing political and economic issues than a severe cold tend to have much less COVID-related restrictions in place.
 
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I had the same last week, although my passport, since brexit, no longer seems to work in UK egates..every time I've flown in its rejected now and I'm sent to a desk..no idea why. It worked flawlessly for the first 5 years of its career.

My passport used to work less than 25% of the time for the first 2-3 years.

One day I was met at the gate by some officials and had a particularly nasty interview, however there was nothing for them to find. I discussed this online with other people reporting such interviews and the consensus was it was a training exercise, we were picked because we did slightly odd routes (e.g. lots of day trips to the EU and further afield, someone went to Cairo and back because it cut their US fares by half etc)

Ever since then my passport has worked in the egates 100% of the time. Later I even washed it accidentally but it still works in the egates (and worked in the EU egates when we could use them), I suspect a human officer might tell me to replace it but no human has seen it yet... I have another passport I can use to enter other countries
 

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I've realised from my COVID-era travels that generally (not all) the countries with more pressing political and economic issues than a severe cold tend to have much less COVID-related restrictions in place.
Ukraine being an exception then.
 

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3-week closure or 7pm curfew (depending who you believe) of pubs/restaurants and non-essential retail on the cards for the Netherlands as of tomorrow.
 

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3-week closure or 7pm curfew (depending who you believe) of pubs/restaurants and non-essential retail on the cards for the Netherlands as of tomorrow.

Gazooks - any news on proposed restrictions in Albania or Turkey prior to Christmas ?
 

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Ukraine being an exception then.
I've just returned from the Ukraine (Kiev/Odessa/Lviv) and the only "problem" was one closed museum. No form to enter, but you have to buy Ukrainian Covid insurance (6€ for 12 days) before departure. Some small cafes were doing take out only. Restaurants were checking vaccine certificates (but not ID to go with it). I loaded my and my wife's certificated onto the French "tous anti covid" app so I should show them both without internet connection and had no issues. Nobody (including border control) scanned the QR code. Restaurants were busy. International companies seemed to be stricter than local ones.

Long distance trains were checking vaccine/test status but lateral flow tests were readily available (I think ~£10). Apparently there is a market in fake vaccination certificates, some are even registered on the official database.

On one local train we found ourselves on the "buffet car" (women with flask & rolls) and nobody was wearing masks, including the railway staff. We were told by one tour guide that the Ukrainian attitude is its "OK as long as you don't get caught". There are supposed to be "hit squads", but they have only just started recruiting.

We visited the Cemetery in Lviv and it was sad to see the war graves section in active use. Apart from that and a display of beaten up military equipment in Kiev there was nothing to make you aware of the situation in the east of the country.

On a short visit to Krakow on the way home the situation in Krakow was similarly a lot more relaxed compared to the official position on the FCO website.
 

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The news from the Netherlands is interesting, only two months since mandatory masks on public transport was removed. Sea to have changed rapidly.

Same with Austria in terms of speed, how they will police the lockdown for unvaccinated only is absolutely beyond me though!
 

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The news from the Netherlands is interesting, only two months since mandatory masks on public transport was removed. Sea to have changed rapidly.

Same with Austria in terms of speed, how they will police the lockdown for unvaccinated only is absolutely beyond me though!
They can't, really. It'll be policed about as effectively as lockdown 1 was in England, a few headline cases but nothing much more. The ability of most European states to project their will on the population by force is relatively limited.
 

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They can't, really. It'll be policed about as effectively as lockdown 1 was in England, a few headline cases but nothing much more. The ability of most European states to project their will on the population by force is relatively limited.
Well that is certainly my view!

Think Germany will state by state so I'm keeping an eye on the states with much lower incidence (generally higher vaccination) for my trip.
 

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The news from the Netherlands is interesting, only two months since mandatory masks on public transport was removed. Sea to have changed rapidly.
The Netherlands never dropped masks on public transport; they did drop them everywhere else in September only to bring them back this month.
 

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They can't, really. It'll be policed about as effectively as lockdown 1 was in England, a few headline cases but nothing much more. The ability of most European states to project their will on the population by force is relatively limited.
Seems Holland back in a partial lockdown, all non essential shops shut by 1800, Supermarkets / Eateries etc all shut by 2000, Football matches behind closed doors, and back to working from home if possible
 

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Seems Holland back in a partial lockdown, all non essential shops shut by 1800, Supermarkets / Eateries etc all shut by 2000, Football matches behind closed doors, and back to working from home if possible

And people are most definitely not happy about it.

But, hey ho, even Professor Pantsdown thinks that the same thing will not happen in the UK.


Clashes erupt as Holland goes BACK into lockdown: Police spray protesters with water cannon as shops and restaurants are ordered to close early - and Covid cases rise across EU while they FALL in UK​

  • Around 200 protestors clashed with riot police and were blasted with a water cannon in The Hague on Friday
  • It comes as Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced the return of a partial Covid lockdown in the country
  • Bars, restaurants, shops will close from 8pm and social distancing measures are set to be reimposed
Hundreds of Dutch protestors had a water cannon turned on them by police after they objected to the partial return of lockdown in the Netherlands as Covid cases continue to soar.

Dutch police blasted a group of around 200 people in The Hague with water in a bid to disperse demonstrators who had been throwing stones and fireworks in protest on Friday evening.

Prime Minister Mark Rutte, 54, was giving a press briefing to the media when protestors clashed with riot police and mounted officers outside the Justice and Security Ministry in the Dutch city.

In the clip, dozens of protestors can be seen sitting on the ground where they brace for impact as police turned the water cannons on them. As they turn their backs and shield one another from the barrage, officers spray them again.

Later that evening, after flares, projectiles and bicycles were thrown at police, officers were seen hitting fleeing demonstrators with batons as what started as a peaceful protest descended into chaos.

Although death remain low, the Netherlands recorded their highest ever daily infection count positive Covid cases on Friday as medics warned hospitals were being put under huge pressure amid a record-breaking surge of infections.

Referring to the 'unpleasant' return of lockdown measures from this Saturday, Rutte said restrictions that the Dutch people had thought had ended for good were being re-imposed for three weeks.

Meanwhile, Covid cases have tumbled in the UK over the past month, leading to prominent experts including 'Professor Lockdown' Neil Ferguson to share their optimism that the UK can avoid a return of 'Netherlands-style lockdown' restrictions this winter.

Infections have trended downwards since October 24, with independent tracking studies finding a 16 per cent weekly decline last week.

Hospital admissions for the virus have decreased for nearly a week straight, and are projected to fall even further in coming weeks. Another 145 coronavirus deaths were also registered on Friday in a 25 per cent decrease compared to the toll last week.

Speaking on BBC R4's Today programme, Professor Ferguson said: 'We might see slow increases as we did in October. I think it is unlikely we will get anything close to what we had last year, that catastrophic winter wave.'
 

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And people are most definitely not happy about it.

But, hey ho, even Professor Pantsdown thinks that the same thing will not happen in the UK.

The Dutch have had a lot of COVID cringe over the last six months; it's definitely an outlier. Still, I was surprised to see there was a lockdown.
 

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Still, I was surprised to see there was a lockdown.
I suppose I should post some recycled comments about:
  • What the definition of a lockdown is and whether this qualifies
  • The silliness of cramming socialising into fewer hours and imagining that will help spread
  • Why masks are going to solve their problems now when they never have in any other country
…because we’ve been around this loop before and it’s getting very boring!

TBH I don’t think it would stop me visiting if I already had a trip planned, as I’m ok with shopping/eating earlier. But I can well imagine others might cancel. I can certainly say the Dutch media were beside themselves over rising cases when I was there.
 

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And people are most definitely not happy about it.

But, hey ho, even Professor Pantsdown thinks that the same thing will not happen in the UK.


I bet that 200 was actually nearer to 2000 if not more, I have zero trust in the media these days.

Personally I’m optimistic England can get out of 2021 without further restrictions and we can move forward in 2022, especially since the regions with passports have cases higher than England, does Holland have the passport?
 

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I'm in Ireland at the moment, where I was amongst the crowd at yesterday's rugby match in the Aviva Stadium. No PLF or vaccine pass was checked at either end when I flew yesterday from Gatwick, nor was the latter requested at the stadium. Masks were worn by a majority of people entering and walking around the stadium, but not whilst sat down. Afterwards in the stadium and in Dublin in general, it was close to pre-COVID behaviour.
 

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I suppose I should post some recycled comments about:
  • What the definition of a lockdown is and whether this qualifies
  • The silliness of cramming socialising into fewer hours and imagining that will help spread
  • Why masks are going to solve their problems now when they never have in any other country
…because we’ve been around this loop before and it’s getting very boring!

TBH I don’t think it would stop me visiting if I already had a trip planned, as I’m ok with shopping/eating earlier. But I can well imagine others might cancel. I can certainly say the Dutch media were beside themselves over rising cases when I was there.
We go there on the 21st, still going (although Stena said we could have a refund if we wanted), just means no late night shopping on the Thursday, normally all shops open until 2100, most will close at 1800 and the rest at 2000, or you just nip over the border into Germany ( 2miles :) )
 

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Just to double check, my understanding is that for Germany I don't need to test or quarantine if double jabbed. Am I right?
 

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Just to double check, my understanding is that for Germany I don't need to test or quarantine if double jabbed. Am I right?
Correct. You will need proof of both vaccinations (NHS app or documentation is fine) and will need to fill in an online passenger locator form if travelling from a high risk country (which currently includes the UK).
 

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Correct. You will need proof of both vaccinations (NHS app or documentation is fine) and will need to fill in an online passenger locator form if travelling from a high risk country (which currently includes the UK).
That's what I thought, I filled out the form but it doesn't list being vaccinated as an exemption? I've uploaded proof of vaccination as well.
 

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That's what I thought, I filled out the form but it doesn't list being vaccinated as an exemption? I've uploaded proof of vaccination as well.
Yeah it's weird - surprisingly poorly thought out by Germany. But you do not need to quarantine if double jabbed.
 

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That's what I thought, I filled out the form but it doesn't list being vaccinated as an exemption? I've uploaded proof of vaccination as well.
Sorry I am a bit confused. It clearly states so early in the process.

You can end this quarantine by submitting a negative test result taken after five days at the earliest. Exemptions from the quarantine obligation exist, for instance, for persons who have been vaccinated or have recovered from infection. Further information can be found on the website of the Federal Ministry of Health. You must transmit your test result, or proof of vaccination or recovery to the public health office. To transmit the file, please use the upload function at the end of the Digital Registration on Entry.
 

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Sorry I am a bit confused. It clearly states so early in the process.

You can end this quarantine by submitting a negative test result taken after five days at the earliest. Exemptions from the quarantine obligation exist, for instance, for persons who have been vaccinated or have recovered from infection. Further information can be found on the website of the Federal Ministry of Health. You must transmit your test result, or proof of vaccination or recovery to the public health office. To transmit the file, please use the upload function at the end of the Digital Registration on Entry.
Yes, but later on it asks if you have an exemption for quarantine, and being vaccinated isn't listed. That's where the confusion was coming from. Nor was the option to upload supporting evidence given until AFTER you complete and download the form.
 

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Yes, but later on it asks if you have an exemption for quarantine, and being vaccinated isn't listed. That's where the confusion was coming from. Nor was the option to upload supporting evidence given until AFTER you complete and download the form.
I filled one in around a month ago and didn't notice any issues. I think that I found some of the guidance a little clumsy.
 

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Yes, but later on it asks if you have an exemption for quarantine, and being vaccinated isn't listed. That's where the confusion was coming from. Nor was the option to upload supporting evidence given until AFTER you complete and download the form.
I think it might be a little like the UK system?

Where there are almost two categories of exemption, one based on vaccination status and another based on occupation/purpose of visit etc.

It sounds to me like the question is asking whether you fall into any of the latter categories. Which you presumably don't.
 
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If you are unvaccinated are you allowed to travel to Europe now? It seems increasingly difficult, I guess that's the idea!
 

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If you are unvaccinated are you allowed to travel to Europe now? It seems increasingly difficult, I guess that's the idea!
If you're unvaccinated and not a citizen of the country you're travelling to, the answer is generally no.
 
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