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MP393
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A freight train coupler became detached, dragged up several sleepers and ballast. A 150 heading the opposite direction on 1V31 struck the coupler and debris and subsequently lost its entire tank of fuel and had some other damage done to it
Looking at RTT 6M76 Margam - Dee Marsh seems to have stopped somewhere between Marshbrook Level Crossing and Church Stretton around 0545 this morning.
Nothing past the site either way since then and cancellations reported to be due to 'an obstruction on the line'.
Have heard some stories, but not seen anything confirmed...
RTT shows 1V31caped at Shrewsbury after arriving from Crewe at 0530. Wasn't due to leave Shrewsbury until 0545 (by which time the freight had just stopped) and reach the site of the incident until 0600...Maybe RTT is not correct?
The signalling along there means train location reporting is not precise. It had indeed left Shrewsbury.
MrCheeseGrater
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Not a great few weeks on the Marches after the over running engineering works and now this.
MP393
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I would imagine when the controllers cancelled the service they did it from the previous station, hence it showing terminated at Shrewsbury rather than “Dorrington” which is the area it took place. The units eventually moved back to Shrewsbury but the Freight is still on site
craigybagel
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Incident was between Dorrington and Church Stretton. As there's no signal box at the latter any more things don't get reported passing there but the freight had indeed passed through.
The failed freight is on the up line - it had been hoped that when the unit on the down was rescued they'd be able to use the that line for single line working, but the track is too damaged so the line is shut now till end of service.
The failed freight is on the up line - it had been hoped that when the unit on the down was rescued they'd be able to use the that line for single line working, but the track is too damaged so the line is shut now till end of service.
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At 10.40 am today I passed 5 Network Rail vehicles parked on the verge of the A49 at Dorrington in the Shrewsbury direction when I drove to Shrewsbury from Church Stretton.
When I returned at 2pm the NR Road fleet was joined by a white tanker.
No staff visible from road..hopefully they were down on the adjacent parallel railway hidden by undergrowth & trees.
Replacement coaches in operation for the TfWales cancelled services.
Dreary wet weather. Glad I did not have to clear up the mess.
When I returned at 2pm the NR Road fleet was joined by a white tanker.
No staff visible from road..hopefully they were down on the adjacent parallel railway hidden by undergrowth & trees.
Replacement coaches in operation for the TfWales cancelled services.
Dreary wet weather. Glad I did not have to clear up the mess.
Western 52
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Looks like 6M76 is on the move northwards now.
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Realtime Trains | 6M76 2325 Margam Tc Gbrf to Sutton Bridge Jn | 29/09/2023
Real-time train running information for 6M76 2325 departure from Margam Tc Gbrf to Sutton Bridge Jn on 29/09/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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I am missing something... A freight train's coupling "came free?" What does that mean?
If the loco drawbar failed then surely the continuous brake would stop the train. Ditto for a wagon coupling in the middle of the train. How on earth can a coupling (which I know are massive and heavy) end up on the adjacent track? Did the loco coupling get pulled out of the chassis and drop down, dig in and get catapulted away on to the adjacent line by the train? If so, it's lucky the freight train didn't derail at the outset.
I hope that RAIB writes it up in some form so that we get a clear explanation...
Signal_Box
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Why do you need a clear explanation?
Everything that needed to happen, happened. These types of incidents happen very regularly on the network, safety systems kick in and you never hear about them.
Why not? It's human nature to want to understand - and by the way I am very sure that these types of incidents DO NOT happen very regularly on the network.
Why do you think they explained anything at all, beyond "an operational incident?" to maintain public confidence, that's why.
If it is something really unusual then people need to know that, and that it's not likely to recur. If it really was a coupling and drawbar ejected onto the adjecent line then it sounds as though the DMU could have suffered far more and all concerned got off very lightly...
To be fair, knuckle couplers do not regularly detach themselves from freight wagons during the course of a division on a mainline railway, and then subsequently disable and cause significant damage to a passing passenger train.
It is definitely a public interest case and I'm sure the RAIB will be investigating this one.
Clarence Yard
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Absolutely.
The RAIB will be looking closely at the maintenance and inspection history of that wagon and what was done or not done.
Coupler incidents on the main line are unusual and almost always classed as serious.
The RAIB will be looking closely at the maintenance and inspection history of that wagon and what was done or not done.
Coupler incidents on the main line are unusual and almost always classed as serious.
Purple Train
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Has it been confirmed that the train definitely divided, or was it the end (unused) coupler?
Mcr Warrior
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When's the section of line expected to be back open?
Signal_Box
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Those who need to know will know, they do to a degree now.
Public confidence in the police, education and health service are much further up the list of concerns than a freight train separation.
Unfortunately the large chunk of metal detached and damaged another train, if it hadn’t this wouldn’t have made it out of the daily occurrence log let alone national media.
I’ve been involved in a knuckle division a year or so ago, little drama as thankfully it didn’t obstruct another train.
Yes it divided, and air supply was cut when the hoses snapped and brought the train to a stand as designed.
Alanko
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Any need for these cryptic, pretentious responses? This is a discussion forum. We discuss things.
Perhaps the forum admins can be convinced to create a new rule that automatically locks every new thread. "No need for discussion or discourse, those who need to know will know, everything that needed to happen, happened".
The purpose of public bodies, such as the RAIB & ORR, is to provide audit and accountability so that we, the travelling public, can have confidence in the the safety of the rail network when we travel on it.
I'm sure you're aware of the publications they produce as a result of their work, which are made publicly available as a matter of course. That's how our system works; just as in the courts, justice must be 'seen' to be done.
I'm sure this was unintentional (and I don't know your proximity to the incident in question) but I do find the defensiveness here perturbing.
Peter Mugridge
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150 229, in case anyone is wondering.
Signal_Box
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I object to employment history being published for any Jack and Harry to read after an incident, potentially as has happened personal circumstances also published as a cause, or side effect of the less up to an incident.
It’s no one’s business outside those who actually need to know within the industry. Members of the public and non related staff don’t need to know about “me” and my employment history or history of incidents.
If you’d made a mistake in the course of your employment would like that mistake to be poured over by people who in the main have little idea about how things actually real done?
It’s a horrible place to be, reading about your cock up which you’re already beating yourself up about online.
Ah, so are you inferring that someone made a cock up? Or maybe that’s the way I’m interpreting your response. Personally I think it best for the wider forum members not to speculate and if you’re in the know but can’t divulge details best not to say anything at all. Hopefully the information and findings will be published if and where appropriate and lessons can be learned by all involved or others to stop future occurrences.
I disagree entirely - if I dropped a clanger that had the potential to impact anyone's safety I'd want everyone to know the details to potentially avoid it happening to someone else through mutual improvement. Been there, done that.
That's what you take on when you agree to do a job that has other people's lives in your hands. Learning is far more important than your own sensitivity about making a mistake and others knowing about it.
People from other industries can also take the learning points and apply them to their own situations.
Deafdoggie
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Very, very worrying indeed. This does sound like you want any mistakes hushed up and swept under the carpet. Maybe a safety critical job isn't for you.
There's a Network Rail training video publicly on youtube called "A Perfect Misunderstanding", where someone made a safety critical cock-up ( involving a level crossing and a SPAD). So there's definitely precedent for telling the public more than they absolutely need to know and I think that's the right approach as long as it's taken as learning points rather than a way to punish someone.
I can also get behind keeping details confidential while an investigation is ongoing, until the RAIB or whoever have reached a conclusion. I'm also pretty sure for anyone who does have access to internal data such as control logs, it's some kind of disciplinary offence to post them on a public forum.
If that's what Signal_Box meant, fair enough.
I can also get behind keeping details confidential while an investigation is ongoing, until the RAIB or whoever have reached a conclusion. I'm also pretty sure for anyone who does have access to internal data such as control logs, it's some kind of disciplinary offence to post them on a public forum.
If that's what Signal_Box meant, fair enough.
craigybagel
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Might I suggest moving on before the thread gets locked? It's for the RAIB to decide how much people know about what happened today, and they're pretty good at it. I suspect given what could but thankfully didn't happen it'll be a full RAIB report with all the relevant details but time will tell. If it does get a full report the names of those involved will be withheld, as they should be.
In any case, the line is back open today. I suspect it's a long time before 150229 will be back though.
In any case, the line is back open today. I suspect it's a long time before 150229 will be back though.
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