Crewe versus Stoke - who will win?

[Baxenden Bank]

The road route from Newcastle Under Lyme High Street to Stoke On Trent Station is 2.7 or 3.0 miles. That distance is less than between housing areas and stations in many towns in England. Just because it has a different council, it doesn't need its own station. I'm sure that Newcastle travellers are allowed to use Stoke station.

They may, but they don't want to. Too far up themselves to mix with the awful neighbours.

 

[Amberley54]

The road route from Newcastle Under Lyme High Street to Stoke On Trent Station is 2.7 or 3.0 miles. That distance is less than between housing areas and stations in many towns in England. Just because it has a different council, it doesn't need its own station. I'm sure that Newcastle travellers are allowed to use Stoke station.

Indeed.

Is the tunnel under Hartshill stil existent? If so, potential for light rail/tram link to Newcastle?

 

[6Gman]

They may, but they don't want to. Too far up themselves to mix with the awful neighbours.

Plenty of Newcastle residents choose to use Crewe.

 

[WatcherZero]

Its a long bus ride but the WCML connections are way better.

 

[Altnabreac]

Nice to see that David Higgins has been reading this thread and has taken on board my suggestions that the way to keep Stoke and Cheshire happy is to run classic compatibles to Manchester via Stoke, Macclesfield and Stockport:

Recognising the desire of many stakeholders in the region to capture the journey time and connectivity benefits HS2 provides, I recommend that the Government asks HS2 to look at the possibility of running classic compatible high speed services to Stoke-on-Trent, Macclesfield and Stockport to Manchester via the Handsacre link from HS2 to the West Coast Main Line.

http://assets.hs2.org.uk/sites/default/files/Rebalancing Britain.pdf

 

[WatcherZero]

Indeed, also considered but rejected running classic compatibles to sheffield via stoke.

 

[Altnabreac]

Indeed, also considered but rejected running classic compatibles to sheffield via stoke.

Yeah I was surprised there wasn't something in there about CCs to serve more diverse Yorkshire destinations. Sheffield is harder to make a case for but you would think Wakefield, Doncaster, Hull, Bradford, Harrogate all have potential.

Maybe the future work on Leeds station options will also look at the opportunities for running CCs in Yorkshire as well.

The Stoke one has always seemed a no brainer to me as it doesn't need an extra path as you can just split/join with either a Liverpool or Preston CC service.

 

[HowardGWR]

The proposed Crewe superhub is unveiled.

see http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/farrells-shows-off-hs2-crewe-vision/5071770.article

Does this mean the underground passing of Crewe is now changed. Is that bridge the Nantwich Road or is the station somewhere else? Anyone know please?

 

[WatcherZero]

Cant read the article but if its the one looking through side by side platforms and landmarks forming a backdrop its an old concept image.

 

[pablo]

Can't read without registering. Seems like some journo running to catch up.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Can't read without registering. Seems like some journo running to catch up.

Indeed so. Not good at all.

 

[6Gman]

The proposed Crewe superhub is unveiled.

see http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/farrells-shows-off-hs2-crewe-vision/5071770.article

Does this mean the underground passing of Crewe is now changed. Is that bridge the Nantwich Road or is the station somewhere else? Anyone know please?

One of the worst "artist's impressions" I've ever seen!

 

[WatcherZero]

HS2 Ltd have come out and said that rather than being cheaper the Stoke route would actually be £750m more expensive as they failed to account for the costs of extra WCML capacity, noise protection, property demolitions, extant coal and salt mines and a park and ride station.

 

[lancastrian]

There is a proposal from Stoke Council to send HS2 via Stoke. I have tried to see detail about the plans, but only find political and newspaper chat. Anyone have better information on this scheme?

I would split the difference and have a station between the two of them, Alsager Parkway sounds great to me.