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Australia and England have been seeded into the same group for the World Cup, with the schedule appropriately including Australia v England on the opening day at the home of international cricket. The wildcards in that group are Scotland and Afghanistan - I don't think Scotland will be that scary but Afghanistan will be an opponent to take very seriously.

We won't be getting to see Scotland in Adelaide, unless they end up as the six fodder opposition for one of India's warmup games here.
 
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Australia and England have been seeded into the same group for the World Cup, with the schedule appropriately including Australia v England on the opening day at the home of international cricket. The wildcards in that group are Scotland and Afghanistan - I don't think Scotland will be that scary but Afghanistan will be an opponent to take very seriously.

We won't be getting to see Scotland in Adelaide, unless they end up as the six fodder opposition for one of India's warmup games here.

Lol, I wasn't serious. But you never know...:lol:
 

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In the final T20 match, when England managed to score 111 all out in yet another defeat, all six Australian bowlers used took wickets.

In the Australian innings, George Bailey hit no less than 26 from the last over bowled by Jade Derbach, who finished with bowling figure of 4-0-49-0.
 

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Dernbach's performance really summed up the whole tour - monstered by the batsmen, then dismissed in a farcical run out he created on his own.

The word is that Mickey Arthur is interested in taking the job Andy Flower was just fired from. As a patriotic Australian, I fully endorse him running ruining the English team!
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The stats from the tour are now complete.

The winning margin of the tour was 1080 runs and 44 wickets. Australia scored 5019 runs at a batting average of 40.4 runs, while England scored 3939 at 26.8.

The margin of the 5-0 Ashes win was 1031 runs and 23 wickets. Australia scored 3189 at 41.4 while England scored 2158 at 21.6.
The same stats for the 0-3 Ashes loss in the winter show it going England's way by 121 runs and 4 wickets. England scored 2856 at 33.6 while Australia scored 2735 at 30.7.
 

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The question is who replaces Kevin Pietersen in the Test squad?

Will Jonathan Trott return to International cricket?

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The question is who replaces Kevin Pietersen in the Test squad?

Will Jonathan Trott return to International cricket?

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I doubt Trott will ever play for England again because he doesn't seem to be able to cope with any pressure.
 

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So, we're looking for two decent batsmen, but are the ECB looking at slotting these in to the vacant slots or changing the batting order?

Who would be the two most deserving county cricketers to fill their boots?


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So, we're looking for two decent batsmen, but are the ECB looking at slotting these in to the vacant slots or changing the batting order?

Who would be the two most deserving county cricketers to fill their boots?


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I think we're looking for more than 2 after the Australian adventure.

I don't see England being competitive on a world level for at least 18 months we have too many shattered egos.
 

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So, we're looking for two decent batsmen, but are the ECB looking at slotting these in to the vacant slots or changing the batting order?

Who would be the two most deserving county cricketers to fill their boots?


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James Taylor and Nick Compton. Both dropped unfairly imo without being given a decent chance.
Cook
Compton
Bell
Taylor
Morgan/Ballance
Stokes
Bairstow/Prior
Bresnan
Broad
A Spinner
Anderson

That will be my team for the first test against Sri Lanka in June. There could be a chance with Joe Root being 'A Spinner' and England going in with 4 quick bowlers in Anderson, Broad, Bresnan and Stokes with Root doing the spinners job
 

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I'm glad you haven't picked the likes of Steve Finn or Chris Tremlett, neither are good enough for England, but you don't mention Chris Jordan or Boyd Rankin, but I would consider Tymal Mills.

The spinner wouldn't be Monty Panesar, but I wouldn't completely rely on Joe Root, you could consider Danny Briggs, Moeen Ali, Azeem Rafiq or Jigar Naik. I don't consider Scott Borthwick, he falls just short of the mark.

Another alternative keeper would be Joss Buttler.


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Following a meeting with Paul Downton after England's disastrous Ashes tour in Australia, Andy Flower is no longer in charge of the England team. The favourite to step into his shoes is Ashley Giles, but is he the best man to lead England forward?

Sorry to be late at the crease to make my personal view on this matter, but if Ashley Giles was in charge of the shortened-game version part of the England international team, the results of those limited overs matches that were under his coaching stewardship would not be one to fill me with much enthusiasm.
 

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Who has been all over the radio and t.v moaning about the axing of KP non other than that renowned world authority on all aspects of cricket - the odious Piers Morgan.

Is there anything this bloke doesn't have an expert opinion on.
 

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If Prior doesn't regain his form in the spring then I suspect that Buttler will be the test wicket keeper. Bairstow hasn't done enough to keep his place.

Graham Onions might get a look in, as perhaps he should have gone to Australia.
 

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I'm glad you haven't picked the likes of Steve Finn or Chris Tremlett, neither are good enough for England, but you don't mention Chris Jordan or Boyd Rankin, but I would consider Tymal Mills.

The spinner wouldn't be Monty Panesar, but I wouldn't completely rely on Joe Root, you could consider Danny Briggs, Moeen Ali, Azeem Rafiq or Jigar Naik. I don't consider Scott Borthwick, he falls just short of the mark.

Another alternative keeper would be Joss Buttler.


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I agree people like Mills, Ali et al should be considered but shouldn't make wholesale changes straight away.

I agree not solely relying on Root as the spinner but it could be a thought England may consider if Root can continue and improving his bowling
 

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ESPNcricinfo has succumbed to the same issues as the Indian board's official tweeter - making reports about the Australian fast bowler Kane Richardson when they actually meant the NZ batsman Kane Williamson.

Will there be any other departures from the England squad?
One more bad series and I could see James Anderson going - but his record is good enough (and his ego less Pietersen-sized) so he'll be offered the chance to "retire" after one last match instead of getting fired. Like Pietersen and Swann, he was in the original ODI squad and then dropped in early December.

Ian Bell was trading on previous excellent performances in the Tests and should be put on notice to play for his career. He failed to pass 20 in six of the ten innings, and converting just two of those starts into fifties without being able to point to one where he went on to make a big one.

Rankin and Tremlett probably don't deserve another go. Rankin doesn't have the strength and conditioning for elite cricket (breaking down twice for just 8.2 overs delivered in the first innings at the SCG), while and Tremlett was absolutely harmless.

Scott Borthwick does deserve another go. His topping the England bowling averages may have been a combination of a low-scoring game and beginner's freedom (i.e. before opposition teams can pick his game apart, as it was for Ben Stokes this summer and for England letting Ashton Agar bat like Matthew Hayden at Nottingham back in July) but he definitely performed well enough to earn another match or two. The same applies to Stokes, the real test of his abilities will be his second and third series when the opposition will be able to plan for him.

I wonder what will happen if the new head coach decides that they want Pietersen in the picture though? The actions of the board in sacking players rather than giving the new head coach a full deck to select from will hardly make a good incentive for a quality coach like Steve Rixon (mastermind of NZ's frequent punching above their weight at the World Cup, and now available as well) with a low bull**** tolerance to drink from the poisoned chalice.
 

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Pietersen is an enigma, there is no doubt of that, but certain press and media comments seem to suggest he is still "the bee's knees" and an essential member that England just cannot do without, blaming the captaincy and the team management for not being to "handle his quirks of behaviour".

Working on the principle of the last Test series against Australia as being a barometer of his current form at the highest level, what was his batting average in the recent five-day Test Matches ?
 

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Working on the principle of the last Test series against Australia as being a barometer of his current form at the highest level, what was his batting average in the recent five-day Test Matches ?

29.4 so not exactly setting the world of cricket ablaze.
 

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29.4 so not exactly setting the world of cricket ablaze.
But still ranking ahead of Carberry, Root, Bell, Cook, Broad, Prior, Ballance, Bairstow and Trott - and behind just the newbie whose technique is yet to be properly examined.

I'll repeat my earlier comment - as much as I'd like to see the back of Pietersen I'd prefer it to have taken place in the same manner as Swann's retirement: worked over on the field by superior players and left in an untenable position for even a secure senior player. He's too good an opponent to see taken out of the game by a cowardly rear echelon and his departure will surely cheapen the next victory for a team against England.

When Michael Hussey was dropped from the ODI/T20 squad (the selectors having one eye on the home World Cup next summer) after announcing his retirement during the final Test last summer it was an extremely unpopular decision. Unlike the cowards in England though, the selectors at least had the courage to stand by their decision.
 

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Glad to see Moeen Ali has got into teh one day squads for teh tour and T20 world cup. A talented player who could easily make it as a test player if he continues his form.
 
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Darren Lehmann is obviously a legend where I come from, I'm sure he'd be given the freedom of Leeds no problem. I wonder how much of the turnaround in Aussie fortunes after 3 big beatings he has been.

Kane Williamson scored a century yesterday for NZ against India which is good news for Yorkshire fans, need him to be on form for the county championship season.
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Ah shocking decision there to give Anderson out, of course no DRS because the governing body of world cricket, India, don't like it.

Poor form.
 

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Ah shocking decision there to give Anderson out, of course no DRS because the governing body of world cricket, India, don't like it.

Poor form.

I was watching it live and (being an umpire at local league level) I said straight away not out, and was surprised to see the finger being raised, a right arm bowler bowling around the wicket and from very wide of the crease means the only way you can give it out is if it bounces and hits below the knee roll. A very poor decision.

And with India refusing to use DRS for LBW decisions I feel the ICC should be stronger than they are and tell India its here to stay, take it or we will suspend you from the game
 

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The latest meeting of the ICC have decided to end the current format of the World Test Championship and in 2017 they will revert back to the former Champions Trophy. At the same meeting, the new International rankings on form were published, which show the top four rankings as being:-
1. South Africa
2. India
3. Australia
4. England
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I see that Kevin Pietersen has found a lucrative way of taking his mind off the end of his career as an England Test Match player by signing a new contract with Surrey.
 

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I see that Kevin Pietersen has found a lucrative way of taking his mind off the end of his career as an England Test Match player by signing a new contract with Surrey.
That's peanuts compared to what he'll be able to earn in the IPL as a rare international player who'll be available for the whole tournament, and also compared the book deal that will inevitably be announced the day after his ECB contract runs out in October.
 

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That's peanuts compared to what he'll be able to earn in the IPL as a rare international player who'll be available for the whole tournament, and also compared the book deal that will inevitably be announced the day after his ECB contract runs out in October.

I note that the recent stupid media speculation that Kevin Pietersen, allowing for the fact that no Test Match commitments would impinge upon his IPL availability, would command a fee of circa £3 million in the auction for the IPL has been well and truly shown up for the rubbish that speculation was as in the IPL player auction at Bangalore, he was bought by the Delhi Daredevils for £880,000, a mere 29% of the speculated media figure...<(
 

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I note that the recent stupid media speculation that Kevin Pietersen, allowing for the fact that no Test Match commitments would impinge upon his IPL availability, would command a fee of circa £3 million in the auction for the IPL has been well and truly shown up for the rubbish that speculation was as in the IPL player auction at Bangalore, he was bought by the Delhi Daredevils for £880,000, a mere 29% of the speculated media figure...<(
That's because the British media don't know how the IPL pay deals work, combined with probably botching the conversion of currencies from INR to USD and then to GBP. When a player is signed for a figure (for example Shakib Al Hasan from Bangladesh, a bargain at $466,000) but has restricted availability, the actual amount paid is based on the portion of the tournament where they are available to the team.

Even if there was a currency mixup, $3,000,000 (30% of the salary cap) would have been way too high for any non-Indian player (especially Pietersen, he only got half that) let alone £3,000,000 which would have been too much for anybody. He doesn't have the marketing appeal to be worth 30% of the salary cap.

It's interesting to note that Pietersen has been retained by the same team but for less than his his 2012-2013 price! Had the demise of his international career been known a month ago, Delhi would have retained him at $2,000,000 before the 10 January player retention deadline. As it turned out, they were able to get him for 'just' $1,500,000 by waiting for him to be sold at the auction and then using one of their 'right to match' cards allowing teams to get back a 2013 player at their new 2014 auction price.


It's not a coincidence that the IPL auction takes place a week after the conclusion of the Big Bash League, and therefore a particularly notable performance in the BBL has a much bigger influence on non-Indian players' chances at the IPL auction than other non-IPL T20 competitions. In the case of the English flat track slogger Alex Hales, his performance for the Adelaide Strikers was notable because it was a load of crap - and he consequently went unsold despite being #1 on the ICC's T20 batting rankings at the start of the summer. He might get a go in the second round where unsold players can be re-auctioned without a base price.

To see Brett Lee and Shaun Tait both going unsold on the first day despite medium-level base prices is a big surprise. Both have been highly prized every year since the IPL started as they provide a supreme combination of on-field talent and absolute top shelf value for marketing.
 

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What's the opinion on the Forum of Angus Fraser becoming an England Selector & Paul Collingwood being involved in a Coaching capacity?
 

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