Crossrail - Construction updates and progress towards opening (now expected 24 May 2022)

[DC1989]

So I've seen it mentioned that the reason other pictures are showing the interchange diagrams as 'Elizabeth line' is correct as it's a 'different mode' but some just say Elizabeth as per this picture. Has anyone at tfl confirmed what exactly is right?

I also noticed that at Abbey wood there is one sign with tfl rail blue rather than Elizabeth purple. Not sure how they messed that up as abbey wood was never going to have tfl rail services

 

[swt_passenger]

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So I've seen it mentioned that the reason other pictures are showing the interchange diagrams as 'Elizabeth line' is correct as it's a 'different mode' but some just say Elizabeth as per this picture. Has anyone at tfl confirmed what exactly is right?

I also noticed that at Abbey wood there is one sign with tfl rail blue rather than Elizabeth purple. Not sure how they messed that up as abbey wood was never going to have tfl rail services

Post #1815 yesterday quotes some TfL standards.

I don’t know about Abbey Wood.

 

[CyrusWuff]

There is nothing in the customer service briefing for tfl staff saying privs and status passes are going to be accepted. I can forsee a mess with regards to these tickets when it opens

The brief that's on Knowledgebase (Technology & Data Payments: Staff Briefing Notice 210) was issued by TfL, rather than RDG.

If that's the same brief that's been issued to TfL Staff, it does mention Staff Travel, though most of the info is in an Appendix rather than the body.

 

[matt_world2004]

The brief that's on Knowledgebase (Technology & Data Payments: Staff Briefing Notice 210) was issued by TfL, rather than RDG.

If that's the same brief that's been issued to TfL Staff, it does mention Staff Travel, though most of the info is in an Appendix rather than the body.

I was looking at the ticketing revenue update and the crossrail customer service update which does not mention it. Was the brief issued by "TfL Rail" or TfL itself . If issued by TfL rail it's possible it was done by MTR rather than tfl itself

 

[Davester50]

Yes this is partly what I mean - Londoners call the “overground” any mainline trains. Thus the general branding of the Overground leads to a bit of confusion.

The Elizabeth Line doesn’t fit neatly into the current TfL branding options so we’ve been left with a bit of a fudge.

There should have been a British Rail double arrow somewhere on the publicity, either intertwined with the LT roundel, or alongside.
Or as has been said, just left as CrossRail and that logo used.

 

[PG]

Or as has been said, just left as CrossRail and that logo used

Who owns the rights to the CrossRail name and logo? Wonder how much it cost to design?

Seems like it's had a short lifespan given that it appears to be now defunct...

 

[Acton1991]

Acton Main Line is good to go!

 

[tarq]

Who owns the rights to the CrossRail name and logo? Wonder how much it cost to design?

Seems like it's had a short lifespan given that it appears to be now defunct...

They weren’t originally intending to use the Crossrail project logo, they were going to use the same purple and blue rounded with Crossrail text. See an example here https://cdn.londonreconnections.com/assets/crossrailroundel.jpg

 

[Horizon22]

Most of the signage is being "de-TFLed" before the weekend of the 21/22nd, so pretty much everything should say Elizabeth Line but there is evidently a lot to change!

 

[DC1989]

It's quite amazing really that Romford and Ilford stations are still nowhere near ready for the opening

 

[Horizon22]

It's quite amazing really that Romford and Ilford stations are still nowhere near ready for the opening

I believe Romford is getting quite close though?

 

[Mojo]

Similarly, at the other end, will any residents of Ruislip abandon the Metropolitan Line for the Central Line?

Can’t imagine why Crossrail would make any difference,
it would depend what station you live at, and where you’re going to.

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Central line in-car diagrams have been updated with ‘line’ - I thought this went against their guidelines… strange

One thing I haven’t been able to work out on the Central line is why Ealing Bdy gets the “Trains to Heathrow” flag. The style guide says this means “Rail interchange with service to airport,” and indeed everywhere else I’ve always taken this to mean it is used only to refer to National Rail (or Heathrow Express) links to Airports, and the service to Heathrow from Ealing Bdy is the Crossrail service.

The Jubilee line Car line diagrams put Canning Town as just an aeroplane pictogram and then “London City Airport.”

I’m not exactly sure what exactly they’re trying to show here, unless when through services start running they will add this flag to all Crossrail stations (in which case it’ll get cluttered).

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Can’t imagine why Crossrail would make any difference,
it would depend what station you live at, and where you’re going to.

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One thing I haven’t been able to work out on the Central line is why Ealing Bdy gets the “Trains to Heathrow” flag. The style guide says this means “Rail interchange with service to airport,” and indeed everywhere else I’ve always taken this to mean it is used only to refer to National Rail (or Heathrow Express) links to Airports, and the service to Heathrow from Ealing Bdy is the Crossrail service.

The Jubilee line Car line diagrams put Canning Town as just an aeroplane pictogram and then “London City Airport.”

I’m not exactly sure what exactly they’re trying to show here, unless when through services start running they will add this flag to all Crossrail stations (in which case it’ll get cluttered).

Ignoring the fact that TfL is National Rail, could it just be that the “Trains to Heathrow” flag at Ealing simply remains there from when TfL Rail was added to Ealing in 2018? They might well remove it on future prints now that it has the same connections as the rest of XR.

 

[kevin_roche]

Does anyone know what the meeting of the Elizabeth Line Committee is meeting for tomorrow? Normally there would be an agenda posted on the TfL website 5 days before the meeting but there has been no sign of one.

 

[coppercapped]

It's quite amazing really that Romford and Ilford stations are still nowhere near ready for the opening

As the 'Purple Train' services will still run to Liverpool Street as before does it make any difference? Trains from these stations, and similarly those west of Paddington, won't be diverted through the central tunnels until the autumn.

So, no change.

 

[DC1989]

As the 'Purple Train' services will still run to Liverpool Street as before does it make any difference? Trains from these stations, and similarly those west of Paddington, won't be diverted through the central tunnels until the autumn.

So, no change.

No 'operational' change but since the project was supposed to finished in 2018, a basic station upgrade being 4 years late is a bit silly isn't it?

 

[AM9]

No 'operational' change but since the project was supposed to finished in 2018, a basic station upgrade being 4 years late is a bit silly isn't it?

In a situation of unlimited resource availability yes it would be, but not as damaging as the lateness of more stations in the core.

 

[InOban]

Weren't some of these station upgrades added to the project at a later date? And at Ilford structural problems emerged during the work.

 

[swt_passenger]

Weren't some of these station upgrades added to the project at a later date? And at Ilford structural problems emerged during the work.

I think quite a number of the existing station step free upgrades, on both east and west sides, were not originally planned. I doubt there’s a simple calendar of when they were added, but I‘d be assuming none could possibly have been ready for 2018.

 

[thomalex]

Elizabeth line: London unveils new Tube line, 10 stories underground​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/12/elizabeth-line-tube-london/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter

The sooner TfL stop insisting on this as a separate mode the better, very few will not see the Elizabeth line as part of the Underground

 

[Basil Jet]

Elizabeth line: London unveils new Tube line, 10 stories underground​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/12/elizabeth-line-tube-london/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter

The sooner TfL stop insisting on this as a separate mode the better, very few will not see the Elizabeth line as part of the Underground

If it was a tube line, it would be 15 storeys underground.

 

[Horizon22]

Spotted some of the new route maps going up on some of the 345s.

 

[kristiang85]

Does anybody know what the 'Heathrow surcharge' is on the Elizabeth Line?

And presumably this can be skipped if you change at Acton Town to jump onto the Piccadilly Line? (if time isn't too much of an issue, although it still seems to be a lot faster than now from the West End, where I work).

 

[thomalex]

The first outing of the new Tube map. I see Barons Court now has a connector blob and there’s what looks like a printing error north of Rayners Lane with the Met and Piccadilly lines being separated. Anyone spot anything else?

 

[JonathanH]

Does anybody know what the 'Heathrow surcharge' is on the Elizabeth Line?

Just the difference in fares shown on the single fare finder between journeys to Heathrow and journeys to West Drayton, both in zone 6 for capping purposes

For example, the single fare from Paddington to West Drayton is £5.50 peak / £3.50 off-peak and from Paddington to Heathrow is £11.50 peak / £10.80 off-peak

 

[Horizon22]

Does anybody know what the 'Heathrow surcharge' is on the Elizabeth Line?

And presumably this can be skipped if you change at Acton Town to jump onto the Piccadilly Line? (if time isn't too much of an issue, although it still seems to be a lot faster than now from the West End, where I work).

Change at Acton Town for what? Acton Main Line (Elizabeth Line) is quite some distance (about 2km away) from Acton Town (Tube / District).

 

[JonathanH]

And presumably this can be skipped if you change at Acton Town to jump onto the Piccadilly Line? (if time isn't too much of an issue, although it still seems to be a lot faster than now from the West End, where I work).

At the moment, there is no 'Heathrow surcharge' (as you put it) for travel to Heathrow stations on the Piccadilly line.

 

[kristiang85]

Just the difference in fares shown on the single fare finder between journeys to Heathrow and journeys to West Drayton, both in zone 6 for capping purposes

For example, the single fare from Paddington to West Drayton is £5.50 peak / £3.50 off-peak and from Paddington to Heathrow is £11.50 peak / £10.80 off-peak

OK thanks - so its a bit more than the Piccadilly but still a lot less than the HEX. Probably worth it for the convenience then.

Change at Acton Town for what? Acton Main Line (Elizabeth Line) is quite some distance (about 2km away) from Acton Town (Tube / District).

Good point - I was confusing the stations looking at the EL-only map.

At the moment, there is no 'Heathrow surcharge' (as you put it) for travel to Heathrow stations on the Piccadilly line.

There isn't, no. But using the EL will be 2x/3x the price off/on peak. But it seems as you need to commit to doing the whole journey from Zone 1 on one or the other, so it's deciding whether the time saving would be worth it.

(not sure what else to call it than a 'Heathrow surcharge' given it just seems to be to the airport stations?).

 

[Watershed]

Does anybody know what the 'Heathrow surcharge' is on the Elizabeth Line?

And presumably this can be skipped if you change at Acton Town to jump onto the Piccadilly Line? (if time isn't too much of an issue, although it still seems to be a lot faster than now from the West End, where I work).

If travelling from the Elizabeth Line core to Heathrow, the most practical way to avoid the Heathrow surcharge would be to get off at Hayes & Harlington and take the bus, as it's simply the standard £1.65 Hopper fare. Obviously this only really makes sense if you're flying from Terminals 2/3 - as you'd have to change again for the inter terminal transfer to get to Terminal 4/5.

If you take the Underground there is no premium, however it is considerably slower. You would be fastest changing at Tottenham Court Road and Holborn/Leicester Square, I'd have thought. Acton Town is nowhere near Acton Main Line - I suppose once the EL is running through it could be competitive timewise to change at Ealing Broadway and Acton Town though. As you wouldn't be exiting at the Heathrow NR station you'd be charged the LU fare.

 

[Mojo]

Ignoring the fact that TfL is National Rail, could it just be that the “Trains to Heathrow” flag at Ealing simply remains there from when TfL Rail was added to Ealing in 2018? They might well remove it on future prints now that it has the same connections as the rest of XR.

The car line diagrams have all been reprinted a few times, once for the opening of TfL Rail, and once for the service branded as “Elizabeth line,” similarly the overlays at stations are all completely new and include the Heathrow Airport tag, so it is not a leftover.